Craft beer is really good

Man Boobs wrote:

I suggest wine

Wine is for women or f@gs.

SomeThings wrote:

Though I should note, I disagree with the IPA group mindset comment (though I get where you are coming from) because there are a whole variety of IPA styles that run a whole gammut of tastes. The current trend of "New England" "hazy" IPAs is great imo, and a fantastic entry into IPAs for people who aren't fans of the traditional bitter and piney version. These are really juicy and citrusy - certainly not the hop bombs of a decade ago.

yeah there is SOME variety within the IPA line but it's this kind of thinking that feeds into the problem. Variety of IPAs isn't really a variety of selection, just variations on a style. No place else in the world drinks anything that tastes like a North American IPA so it just seems very strange that we insist on an IPA as the defining style in beer.

We make solid IPAs. Great.

Doesn't mean when i walk into a local beer store advertising 300 different beers that I'm happy to find out that 280 are IPAs.

It's like advertising 300 types of food and just serving pizza.

"But this one has thin crust!"

who cares,,,,,i'm just really tired of eating pizza for 10 years.

BRO YOU JUST SAID YOUR TIRED OF EATING PIZZA! I DONT BUY IT. PIZZA AND IPAS 4 LYFE.

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derp wrote:

get out of the 'IPA or bust' groupthink mindset and gain an appreciation for pilsners etc . ....almost all of them are mid 4% and the good ones are tasty as hell, especially in the summer.

I rarely drink IPA’s, because of the alcohol content and they aren’t my favorite. Good pilsners are hard to make (more so than IPA’s) and I haven’t found a good one under 5% where I am. I am specifically talking about local breweries not buying cans at the beer store. Yes there are great imported European pilsners, but I don’t drink beer at home ever, only when I go out and usually at one of the endless local breweries around where I live.

There's a local brewery that makes an exceptional pilsner I just discovered. It was like tasting beer for the first time after years of drinking over-hopped and high alcohol IPAs.

Gravy wrote:

If possible, me too wrote:

I rarely drink IPA’s, because of the alcohol content and they aren’t my favorite. Good pilsners are hard to make (more so than IPA’s) and I haven’t found a good one under 5% where I am. I am specifically talking about local breweries not buying cans at the beer store. Yes there are great imported European pilsners, but I don’t drink beer at home ever, only when I go out and usually at one of the endless local breweries around where I live.

There's a local brewery that makes an exceptional pilsner I just discovered. It was like tasting beer for the first time after years of drinking over-hopped and high alcohol IPAs.

Exactly!

I think breweries are making a big mistake focusing on IPAs. IPA lovers are a minority of the overall beer market and have thousands to choose from already.

Introduce someone to a good pilsner and you might be converting a 'non-craft' drinker and are expanding your market. Let the other breweries fight over the "Hopz or Die!" crowd that makes up like 15% of the market.

IPAs are like Macs in the mid 2000's- small dedicated user base, pricey, not a lot of room for growth

Pilsners are like the Iphone- much wider market, most beer drinkers can appreciate a good pilsner, could have halo effect by introducing new people to craft beer

Why do people keep importing facts into my posts that aren't there? First I was a hop head and now I'm drinking beers in a "short period" to "get hammered"? A lot of brew pubs now serve food and it's easy to hang out with friends for long periods of time - afternoon and night. It's also common to go to a few places as there are many in close proximity. I specifically do not want to get drunk. I enjoy the taste of beer. I like to try different beers. Over an afternoon and evening I would like to drink more than two beers but I don't want to get drunk, so I prefer good beers that have low alcohol percentage.

I do see a trend toward places now making pilsners etc. now, but I think it's harder to make a good pilsner. A lot of them are just bad. It's easy to make a hoppy beers, which people like with lots of flavor etc,. by just adding endless hops, so I think there was a real trend for new breweries to make those kinds of beers. I'm hoping as all of these small breweries get better at making beer (more experience etc.) there will be more good pilsners, gose, lagers, etc.

The good stuff wrote:

Guys (yeah, this is LetsRun),

Craft beer is really good. If you haven’t already, it’s time to develop an appreciation. I live in Europe, and it’s depressinng how few craft options there are here. Yeah, their ‘basic’ beer is better than ours, but the craft stuff we’re brewing, man we’re kicking ass!

Give it a try!

Yours truly,

The Gladiator of LetsRun

I had to check the date of this post since "craft beer" is so 2009.

If possible, me too wrote:

It's easy to make a hoppy beers, which people like with lots of flavor etc,. by just adding endless hops, so I think there was a real trend for new breweries to make those kinds of beers.

That is technically wrong, maybe a lot of people can't realize when a recipe or batch is fuked up but that doesn't mean it's all the same.

The trend is just sweeping every possibilities by definition and breweries need to please everyone.

I'm all for a good pilsner that can be called a beer.

Fair points, and non-IPA beers are great. I think that there is a much wider selection available on the shelf than there was even 5 years ago. IPAs don't dominate the market like they did - just near me there are a few belgian-style breweries, a german style brewery with lots of interesting and flavorful lagers. On the shelf, it seems like every brewery is now making a gose and a "craft lager" or pilsner. The trend is definitely diversifying.

That being said, a truly high quality IPA (Other Half in NYC, Great Notion in Portland, Fieldworks in CA for example) absolutely blows a high quality pilsner out of the water.

well, wrote:

Wine is for women or f@gs.

Beer is for beer guts and frat boys. Wine is sophisticated and high class and healthier.

Man Boobs wrote:

well, wrote:

Wine is for women or f@gs.

Beer is for beer guts and frat boys. Wine is sophisticated and high class and healthier.

Beer, liquor, wine. It's all the same & will get you drunk or tipsy. Don't think one is more sophisticated than the other.

It's like my female co-workers who read & watch the 50 Shades of Gray books/movies saying "it's a romance novel." Nope ladies. It's porn. Straight up porn, so quit trying to act like it's not.

Wine or beer, you've clearly never drank a piece of art...i feel sorry for you.

its just alcohol wrote:

Man Boobs wrote:

Beer is for beer guts and frat boys. Wine is sophisticated and high class and healthier.

Beer, liquor, wine. It's all the same & will get you drunk or tipsy. Don't think one is more sophisticated than the other.

It's like my female co-workers who read & watch the 50 Shades of Gray books/movies saying "it's a romance novel." Nope ladies. It's porn. Straight up porn, so quit trying to act like it's not.

so you eat toast and broccoli for every meal? it's all the same, will fill you up

did you marry the first girl that let you have sex wit her? it's al the same , right?

part of the enjoyment of life is exercising our ability to discern and choose between the endless array of options out there. Settling for the easiest to attain isn't always the most rewarding. It's strange to begrudge others their pursuit of joy.

you choice probably comes down to disinterest/laziness, so quit trying to act like it doesn't.

It could also be an education issue.

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its just alcohol wrote:

Beer, liquor, wine. It's all the same & will get you drunk or tipsy. Don't think one is more sophisticated than the other.

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Running a sub 4 minute mile or a 12 minute mile or anything in between are all the same thing to you, right? It’s all just running a mile. A guy strumming a banjo or Rostropovich playing Bach Cello Suites are both just guys making sounds on strings to you, right? Pearls before swine.

post-run recovery wrote:

If possible, me too wrote:

It's easy to make a hoppy beers, which people like with lots of flavor etc,. by just adding endless hops, so I think there was a real trend for new breweries to make those kinds of beers.

That is technically wrong, maybe a lot of people can't realize when a recipe or batch is fuked up but that doesn't mean it's all the same.

The trend is just sweeping every possibilities by definition and breweries need to please everyone.

I'm all for a good pilsner that can be called a beer.

No, you’re wrong. Ales are easier to make then a lager or Pilsner and the use of hops masks flaws. Lagers and Pilsners are both technically harder to make and also harder to hide flaws when you make them. Ask anyone who brews beer. (There are of course harder beers to make, like Lambics.) In general any beer just takes practice and trial and error. Brewers can learn to make a great Pilsner if they just put their efforts in that direction. It seems that is happening.

My favorite lager:

https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/22511/276538/

I agree. Most these new breweries would not be capable of producing a high quality lager. It’s hard to make a lager that is super clean tasting with no off flavors.

derp wrote:

Gravy wrote:

There's a local brewery that makes an exceptional pilsner I just discovered. It was like tasting beer for the first time after years of drinking over-hopped and high alcohol IPAs.

Exactly!

I think breweries are making a big mistake focusing on IPAs. IPA lovers are a minority of the overall beer market and have thousands to choose from already.

Introduce someone to a good pilsner and you might be converting a 'non-craft' drinker and are expanding your market. Let the other breweries fight over the "Hopz or Die!" crowd that makes up like 15% of the market.

IPAs are like Macs in the mid 2000's- small dedicated user base, pricey, not a lot of room for growth

Pilsners are like the Iphone- much wider market, most beer drinkers can appreciate a good pilsner, could have halo effect by introducing new people to craft beer

Congratulations! You pretty much got everything wrong.

Beer lowers testosterone. All craft beer does is add more sugars/carbs & further makes you skinny fat.