Paul Chelimo: US Sub-13 Attempt

Beavus wrote:

I'd rather see an American run a 12:56 and come in 13th, then see them run a 13:11 and win. Not to knock either, but that's my preference.

you must be one of those people who don't think Farah should be in the GOAT conversation because of his times, despite him being one of the best winners (or best ever) in distance running history. So many golds in big meets.

cool

You din't think one of the greatest of all time should be one of the fastest of all time?

reed and write wrote:

Beavus wrote:

I'd rather see an American run a 12:56 and come in 13th, then see them run a 13:11 and win. Not to knock either, but that's my preference.

you must be one of those people who don't think Farah should be in the GOAT conversation because of his times, despite him being one of the best winners (or best ever) in distance running history. So many golds in big meets.

cool

GOAT has to have it all buddy. Emil Zatopek was a phenomenal winner but the times the dude ran would not win him many college conference meets these days.

Post nups wrote:

Beavus wrote:

I'd rather see an American run a 12:56 and come in 13th, then see them run a 13:11 and win. Not to knock either, but that's my preference.

You’re following the wrong sport then.

No, he's not.

I agree with him. I have followed track my whole life and I guarantee I enjoy it more than you, too!

Beavus wrote:

Post nups wrote:

You’re following the wrong sport then.

Obviously race dependent. Could care less if they win some random Diamond League in a mediocre (by world standards) time. Not true of a WC of OG.

This.

A "win" like Rupp going 2:09 in Chicago can be just...boring. Maybe it is special for the droolers who can process only one simple concept at a time. "Duhhh...he win! Me like!"

I find the race within the race can be as interesting as the front-page win story. One example would be Farah's very, very interesting non-winning London this year. Another would be a national record, or even a PR, being broken in a fast race where a runner you follow doesn't win.

don't knock it wrote:

Post nups wrote:

You’re following the wrong sport then.

No, he's not.

I agree with him. I have followed track my whole life and I guarantee I enjoy it more than you, too!

Not surprised that someone with such an opinion would guarantee something they cannot be certain of!

Star wrote:

Beavus wrote:

(Chelimo uses Shanghai this year as an example stating that he was the one to stay on the rabbits till 3k, but when they dropped, he realized no one else would be willing to help do the work, so he then focused on winning).

So ... he stopped trying to run fast after the rabbits dropped because suddenly, mid-race, winning became more important than time.

How is that different than ignoring the rabbits and only running for place when the gun goes off?

If you want to run for time then keep running hard after the rabbits drop.

You are talking like someone who has never run a hard 5k for time in their life. Obviously he thought he could do it with a group, but not alone. The group just didn't stay with it after the pacer was gone. With the time goal gone in his mind, he adjusted to a place goal. Makes sense to me.

He went for sub-13:00...for as long as that was viable. Abandoning the 13:00 goal when it became clear he would have no support past halfway is completely different than not going with the pace at all.

Post nups wrote:

don't knock it wrote:

No, he's not.

I agree with him. I have followed track my whole life and I guarantee I enjoy it more than you, too!

Not surprised that someone with such an opinion would guarantee something they cannot be certain of!

You are proving my point. ;)

You are the kind of person who sits and tells someone that because they don't like what *you* like, they can't possibly enjoy it the right way.

That actually makes it very clear that you don't enjoy track the same way I do. Here's why. If someone told me they loved track because they like counting strides but didn't care about placings, I would say "that's awesome, enjoy!" not "you are following the wrong sport." Reacting the way that you do shows you don't understand the joy someone can take it: from enjoying the sport exactly the way that they so happen to enjoy it.

Sad!

no YOURE hilarious wrote:

reed and write wrote:

you must be one of those people who don't think Farah should be in the GOAT conversation because of his times, despite him being one of the best winners (or best ever) in distance running history. So many golds in big meets.

cool

GOAT has to have it all buddy. Emil Zatopek was a phenomenal winner but the times the dude ran would not win him many college conference meets these days.

And still people remember him, but WR holders are forgotten as soon as they lose their WR.

don't knock it wrote:

Beavus wrote:

Obviously race dependent. Could care less if they win some random Diamond League in a mediocre (by world standards) time. Not true of a WC of OG.

This.

A "win" like Rupp going 2:09 in Chicago can be just...boring. Maybe it is special for the droolers who can process only one simple concept at a time. "Duhhh...he win! Me like!"

I find the race within the race can be as interesting as the front-page win story. One example would be Farah's very, very interesting non-winning London this year. Another would be a national record, or even a PR, being broken in a fast race where a runner you follow doesn't win.

The more common droolers are those who can only process one simple concept like the time on a clock.

Beavus wrote:

coachcommentsnicely wrote:

We all miss Solinsky.

Sadly went and rewatched some of his 2010 Diamond League races after starting this.

I can only find Reiti 3k... Care to share the rest?

Completely agree with OP- going as fast as you can is a big part of the sport in my opinion. I love seeing people hammer and go for it like bekele and Haile used to do. Really bummed Farah never really approached his fastest time possible in 5k/10k.

Would be exciting to see chelimo really go for it- I’d find it more exciting to see him go sub 13 than win a diamond league in 13:15 (WC/OG is different story of course).

What possible reason could any of these other runners you mention have in helping Chelimo set a PR. That's all we're talking about. Sorry sub13 does not have the same ring as sub2. It's been done before.

Beavus wrote:

I'd rather see an American run a 12:56 and come in 13th, then see them run a 13:11 and win. Not to knock either, but that's my preference.

Pretty sure Chelimo himself would prefer winning a Diamond League in 13:11 to finishing 13th in 12:56. You want sub-13? It's easy. Put up $10k of your own money for each runner who breaks 13 in a race. Bear in mind since you have no idea how many athletes could break 13 in a given race you might be out $40-50k.

Hdjskdjdfhs wrote:

This would go down like the Pre Classic record attempt. Chelimo has been all talk lately.

reed and write wrote:

you must be one of those people who don't think Farah should be in the GOAT conversation because of his times, despite him being one of the best winners (or best ever) in distance running history.

I wouldn't call him a best winner. He's a worst winner actually.

no YOURE hilarious wrote:

GOAT has to have it all buddy. Emil Zatopek was a phenomenal winner but the times the dude ran would not win him many college conference meets these days.

First you are talking 60 to 65 years ago tough comparison to today

against the men of his time

lets see

Zat set a 5,000WR

He broke the 10000 WR 5 times (twice from Heino and thrice broke his own record & held it for 7 years (absent the 7 weeks in '49 when he lent it back to Heino)

Zat was the first man to go sub 29:00.

He broke the OG 5000 and 10000 m records

Not fast?

In his era he was WR fast not as you just imply college conference fast.

reed and write wrote:

Beavus wrote:

I'd rather see an American run a 12:56 and come in 13th, then see them run a 13:11 and win. Not to knock either, but that's my preference.

you must be one of those people who don't think Farah should be in the GOAT conversation because of his times, despite him being one of the best winners (or best ever) in distance running history. So many golds in big meets.

cool

No, most of us anti-Farah people believe that he shouldn't be considered the GOAT because of close his association with Aden, miraculous transformation with Salazar after years of hard professional training with Bideu and Mottram in Kenya, posting a U.K. record of 3:28, and missed drug tests with bizarre excuses.

vivalarepublica wrote:

Beavus wrote:

I'd rather see an American run a 12:56 and come in 13th, then see them run a 13:11 and win. Not to knock either, but that's my preference.

I would love to see a 5000m race where 13th runs 12:56. That would be the best 5000m race ever.

Somehow that doesn't surprise me a lot.

Presumably the 13th guy would have to be a rocket fuelled African, just like the first 12?