Rupp's Boston contract (oddly with no 60-day-block clause) proves he PLANNED to DNF?

Hardloper wrote:

Yes, obviously he planned to DNF six months in advance. The "weather," "hypothermia," and "allergies" were just a coincidence. And by "coincidence" I mean codeword for Lance Armstrong

You seem to be a bit slow. Nobody is saying he planned to DNF six months ahead of time.

The fact, the proven fact, is that he made sure his contract didn't have the 60-day block in it. You don't do that unless you think it's possible you'll DNF and race again in the next eight weekends.

Clever username wrote:

Don’t forget Yūki raced Stockholm 2June 2018, so his contract must not have had a 60 day clause either.

Does he also race with NO HEART?

Which one finished Boston?

gamahee wrote:

Stating that Rupp has DNF/DNS more than anyone or even any American in history is too much. A 5th grade English teacher would make you cite that, so its expected you do the same on a message board. You're entitled to your opinion, but try not to spew vague statistics to prove your point. Which is still wrong.

Is this specific enough for you?

Stockholm DL 5000

Eugene DL 5000

Monaco DL 5000

Stanford 10,000

New Balance Indoor Games mile

Boston Marathon

Should I go on?

Your turn. Provide citations for the claim that any elite distance runner has DNFd more than this.

not my real name wrote:

we already discussed this in Kellyn's thread. High likelihood that Rupp simply didn't care about losing 50% of his appearance fee as $50K-$75K is probably 10% of his yearly income, at best. A 2:06 next to his name meant a lot more than a "measly" $50K.

You completely missed the point. Try again.

Yuki did, and won.

I wasn’t arguing that. I was just pointing out is the op’s insistence that a 60-day no race clause in the contract doesn’t mean that Rupp has “no heart.”

Clever username wrote:

Yuki did, and won.

I wasn’t arguing that. I was just pointing out is the op’s insistence that a 60-day no race clause in the contract doesn’t mean that Rupp has “no heart.”

It is more than just having the clause. It is starting the race knowing he was not going to finish. The weather just gave him a better excuse to drop out. If weather had been perfect, I'm sure his foot or hamstring or knee or something else would have felt 'off' forcing him to drop out early.

RUPP. CERTIFIED. SALADBAR. wrote:

From the LetsRun front page: "Taylor’s Boston Contract Forbade Her From Running Any Marathon For 60 Days – Grandma’s Was 61 Days After Boston" (

http://www.startribune.com/us-runner-kellyn-taylor-sets-womens-record-at-grandmas-marathon/485736241/

)

If the standard Boston contract doesn't allow runners to race a marathon within 60 days after Boston, then obviously Rupp had this clause removed from his contract (seeing he ran Prague a few weeks later).

This shows what we have known all along: Rupp enters and starts races with NO HEART. He ALWAYS has a DNS or a DNF as an option in his mind. He is the most DNS/DNF elite distance runner in the sport.

Sad!

i'm sure there are tons of people out there that think rupp should have held on and finished Boston to nab a 10th place (or worse) finish and 2:18 time versus the 1st place, 2:06:07 time he ran 20 days later. (heavy sarcasm)

good thing we have your experienced, expert opinion on the matter.

round and round wrote:

i'm sure there are tons of people out there that think rupp should have held on and finished Boston to nab a 10th place (or worse) finish and 2:18 time versus the 1st place, 2:06:07 time he ran 20 days later. (heavy sarcasm)

good thing we have your experienced, expert opinion on the matter.

2:18 would have been anywhere from 2nd to 5th, well ahead of 10th. Thanks for your "expert" opinion.

So wait, do you know for a fact Rupp planned on dropping out?

just the facts ma'am wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

Yes, obviously he planned to DNF six months in advance. The "weather," "hypothermia," and "allergies" were just a coincidence. And by "coincidence" I mean codeword for Lance Armstrong

You seem to be a bit slow. Nobody is saying he planned to DNF six months ahead of time.

The fact, the proven fact, is that he made sure his contract didn't have the 60-day block in it. You don't do that unless you think it's possible you'll DNF and race again in the next eight weekends.

if you were as good as him and realized the time and effort required to train for a race with such variable weather, you'd be dumb not to ask to eliminate that clause. in fact, i'd be like not accepting free health insurance if it was offered to you.

marathons are hard enough and then there's the uncertainty of weather. if you have the stature to dnf and get into another event like Ruppy, it'd be amazing. There's plenty of marathons i've endured because i didn't want to waste my fitness where i certainly would have preferred to run a different race 2 -3 weeks later. i don't have access to late entry options or the money to get a hotel and another flight ticket though.

if you disagree with this, then i don't think you fully understand what being a professional athlete means. they are paid to run well. that's how they survive and continue their sponsorships (livelihood). every effort should be maximized

stateezee wrote:

round and round wrote:

i'm sure there are tons of people out there that think rupp should have held on and finished Boston to nab a 10th place (or worse) finish and 2:18 time versus the 1st place, 2:06:07 time he ran 20 days later. (heavy sarcasm)

good thing we have your experienced, expert opinion on the matter.

2:18 would have been anywhere from 2nd to 5th, well ahead of 10th. Thanks for your "expert" opinion.

never said i was an expert. i. am. not.

My bad on the place. so his time would have been way slower than 2:18 if he was 10th+.

drives my point home even further that it would have been worthless for him to finish.

if everything is going well and according to plan, you stay in the race. if the goal is to win and you are realistically out of contention with the option to get into another big race in the immediate future, you drop out, save the legs, and live to run another day.

that's what Rupp did. he likely didn't plan on it, but took advantage of ability to get into Prague and shut it down. it proved to be an excellent decision. he ran like 2.5 minutes faster than Yuki's best-ever marathon 20 days later....

Yuki will never run 2:06 in his lifetime

Was this in Kawauchi's contract?

Five dns races over 12 years is exceptionally strong. Especially for a guy who committs to races many months in advance due to appearance fees. Anyone who wins a national title at 10k ten years in a row and toed the line and won medals at two olympics does not need to answer to anyone. His career has been remarkably long and consistent with a few years to go. Your point is silly and inaccurate.

Gwalkerruns wrote:

Anyone who wins a national title at 10k ten years in a row

Such a list would not include Galen Rupp.

Seems like a pretty good record considering Galen has been running for about 15 or 16 years.

RUPP. CERTIFIED. SALADBAR. wrote:

From the LetsRun front page: "Taylor’s Boston Contract Forbade Her From Running Any Marathon For 60 Days – Grandma’s Was 61 Days After Boston" (

http://www.startribune.com/us-runner-kellyn-taylor-sets-womens-record-at-grandmas-marathon/485736241/

)

If the standard Boston contract doesn't allow runners to race a marathon within 60 days after Boston, then obviously Rupp had this clause removed from his contract (seeing he ran Prague a few weeks later).

This shows what we have known all along: Rupp enters and starts races with NO HEART. He ALWAYS has a DNS or a DNF as an option in his mind. He is the most DNS/DNF elite distance runner in the sport.

Sad!

"This shows..." STOP.

This thread doesnt even deserve to continue because you dont have that contract. Youre just speculating.

But nice try, it is so sweet to watch you try to denigrade Galen when in reality you look like a jealous clown.

GBohannon wrote:

Or it proves that Rupp is much more in-demand than Kellyn Taylor and, as a result, is able to get a much better contract.

I'm not much of a Rupp fan, but it's undeniable that this is probably the case. I like Taylor, but she's not that big of a name. Rupp has multiple ARs and two Olympic medals.

Gwalkerruns wrote:

Five dns races over 12 years is exceptionally strong. Especially for a guy who committs to races many months in advance due to appearance fees. Anyone who wins a national title at 10k ten years in a row and toed the line and won medals at two olympics does not need to answer to anyone. His career has been remarkably long and consistent with a few years to go. Your point is silly and inaccurate.

The galling thing is that he races very few times each year, making it a high percentage. I think it's more than 5 but I can't list them.