Rupp's Boston contract (oddly with no 60-day-block clause) proves he PLANNED to DNF?

RUPP. CERTIFIED. SALADBAR. wrote:

From the LetsRun front page: "Taylor’s Boston Contract Forbade Her From Running Any Marathon For 60 Days – Grandma’s Was 61 Days After Boston" (

http://www.startribune.com/us-runner-kellyn-taylor-sets-womens-record-at-grandmas-marathon/485736241/

)

If the standard Boston contract doesn't allow runners to race a marathon within 60 days after Boston, then obviously Rupp had this clause removed from his contract (seeing he ran Prague a few weeks later).

This shows what we have known all along: Rupp enters and starts races with NO HEART. He ALWAYS has a DNS or a DNF as an option in his mind. He is the most DNS/DNF elite distance runner in the sport.

Sad!

Or it proves that Rupp is much more in-demand than Kellyn Taylor and, as a result, is able to get a much better contract.

RUPP. CERTIFIED. SALADBAR. wrote:

From the LetsRun front page: "Taylor’s Boston Contract Forbade Her From Running Any Marathon For 60 Days – Grandma’s Was 61 Days After Boston" (

http://www.startribune.com/us-runner-kellyn-taylor-sets-womens-record-at-grandmas-marathon/485736241/

)

If the standard Boston contract doesn't allow runners to race a marathon within 60 days after Boston, then obviously Rupp had this clause removed from his contract (seeing he ran Prague a few weeks later).

This shows what we have known all along: Rupp enters and starts races with NO HEART. He ALWAYS has a DNS or a DNF as an option in his mind. He is the most DNS/DNF elite distance runner in the sport.

Sad!

DNS, maybe...DNF, no.

Pretty sure Rupp is one of the most consistent racers the US has ever had. I can only think of a few did not starts from him, and I think that Boston was the first DNF I remember coming from him.

we already discussed this in Kellyn's thread. High likelihood that Rupp simply didn't care about losing 50% of his appearance fee as $50K-$75K is probably 10% of his yearly income, at best. A 2:06 next to his name meant a lot more than a "measly" $50K.

GBohannon wrote:

RUPP. CERTIFIED. SALADBAR. wrote:

From the LetsRun front page: "Taylor’s Boston Contract Forbade Her From Running Any Marathon For 60 Days – Grandma’s Was 61 Days After Boston" (

http://www.startribune.com/us-runner-kellyn-taylor-sets-womens-record-at-grandmas-marathon/485736241/

)

If the standard Boston contract doesn't allow runners to race a marathon within 60 days after Boston, then obviously Rupp had this clause removed from his contract (seeing he ran Prague a few weeks later).

This shows what we have known all along: Rupp enters and starts races with NO HEART. He ALWAYS has a DNS or a DNF as an option in his mind. He is the most DNS/DNF elite distance runner in the sport.

Sad!

Or it proves that Rupp is much more in-demand than Kellyn Taylor and, as a result, is able to get a much better contract.

probably this. because i have no clue who kellyn taylor is.

not my real name wrote:

a "measly" $50K.

Doubtful. No professional runner can afford to miss out on that much money. Look at the Kiprop situation, best 1500m runner. He balked at spending this measly amount to defend his good name.

It's far more likely he had a better contract without this restriction. And why shouldn't he as the top US marathoner.

60 day block clauses wrote:

not my real name wrote:

a "measly" $50K.

Doubtful. No professional runner can afford to miss out on that much money. Look at the Kiprop situation, best 1500m runner. He balked at spending this measly amount to defend his good name.

It's far more likely he had a better contract without this restriction. And why shouldn't he as the top US marathoner.

Hahaha, yeah Kiprop balked at spending that money to defend his "good" name. Yeah, that's totally why he's not fighting it and just accepting the ruin of his career and future earning. Thanks for the chuckle, Mr Naive.

I would never sign a contract that stated I couldn't race for 60 more days.

The OP is a moron wrote:

I would never sign a contract that stated I couldn't race for 60 more days.

Bit of a moot point, though. Isn't it?

Since no one would ever pay you an appearance fee to race anyway.

It was terrible weather and all hope for a win or a decent time was gone. I don't see any moral obligation to struggle another 6 miles to finish in 2:20 or so.

Is there any reason to believe that he wouldn't have gone for the win in normal conditions?

It's *possible* that he didn't have this restriction but basically EVERYBODY gets this one, even a kipchoge will have some order of reduction for a dnf. if you think rupp can't afford to lose $50K(+?), especially in order to win $150K-$200K, you have zero clue what he's making. I do and it's waaaaay more than enough to "lose" $50k-$75K.

60 day block clauses wrote:

Doubtful. No professional runner can afford to miss out on that much money. Look at the Kiprop situation, best 1500m runner. He balked at spending this measly amount to defend his good name.

It's far more likely he had a better contract without this restriction. And why shouldn't he as the top US marathoner.

Yes, obviously he planned to DNF six months in advance. The "weather," "hypothermia," and "allergies" were just a coincidence. And by "coincidence" I mean codeword for Lance Armstrong

The Boston marathon has the least predictable weather of any major marathon. Negotiating a contract without a block-clause is just good business.

Stating that Rupp has DNF/DNS more than anyone or even any American in history is too much. A 5th grade English teacher would make you cite that, so its expected you do the same on a message board. You can't know how much Galen makes in a year, and you certainly wont know how much he makes to show up for Boston or how much he loses by not finishing. Galen's name gave his agent the positioning power to negotiate a better Boston contract than Kellyn. Not discounting her performance, as it was great, but she's not yet at the level that Galen is. You're obviously looking for any chance to bash Galen, which is fine. You're entitled to your opinion, but try not to spew vague statistics to prove your point. Which is still wrong.

60 day block clauses wrote:

not my real name wrote:

a "measly" $50K.

Doubtful. No professional runner can afford to miss out on that much money. Look at the Kiprop situation, best 1500m runner. He balked at spending this measly amount to defend his good name.

It's far more likely he had a better contract without this restriction. And why shouldn't he as the top US marathoner.

Rupp probably makes more than Kiprop at this point despite Kiprop's creds being a little stronger. Plus, maybe Rupp has been smart with his money. I tell you what, Kiprop has been on the circuit since what, 2006? Hard to believe, but in all that time he has competed, and the money he's made, he doesn't have enough for a lawyer? He either really wasn't making that much and got screwed over by his agent or he's terrible at managing money, or both. But who knows? I don't know his situation.

Either way, yeah Rupp will take the 50k hit, he probably made more than that in his Prague contract + appearance and prize money. And now he's slightly more marketable with a 2:06. Win-win.

RUPP. CERTIFIED. SALADBAR. wrote:

From the LetsRun front page: "Taylor’s Boston Contract Forbade Her From Running Any Marathon For 60 Days – Grandma’s Was 61 Days After Boston" (

http://www.startribune.com/us-runner-kellyn-taylor-sets-womens-record-at-grandmas-marathon/485736241/

)

If the standard Boston contract doesn't allow runners to race a marathon within 60 days after Boston, then obviously Rupp had this clause removed from his contract (seeing he ran Prague a few weeks later).

This shows what we have known all along: Rupp enters and starts races with NO HEART. He ALWAYS has a DNS or a DNF as an option in his mind. He is the most DNS/DNF elite distance runner in the sport.

Sad!

I think it means that Rupp has a better manager and has the clout to negotiate a better deal than the standard. Because he was america's no. 1 marathoner in america's most prestigious marathon.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Don’t forget Yūki raced Stockholm 2June 2018, so his contract must not have had a 60 day clause either.

Does he also race with NO HEART?

We don't know what restrictions were in Rupp's contract with John Hancock. So even the appearance fee is a guess. Each athlete can negotiate with JH and the beauty of it all is - only the agents know who is getting what and there are probably non-disclosure clauses in the contracts.

Standard inserts could be completing at least 30K, running under a certain time or finishing in a certain place to receive certain sums. Additionally, not running any other marathons for a period of time could result in a penalty as well.

I would expect Rupp's contract to have a little more leeway than Kellyn Taylor's in terms of both the total appearance fee, and the penalties for non-compliance, because his agent had more leverage. Rupp likely was courted by London because he is the most recent Olympic bronze medal winner, the Chicago champion, and the top American marathoner. To the casual observer, he'll draw more eyeballs than a non-descript African runner who merely has a stellar PR time behind him and no Olympic/WC medal or top 3 finish in a major (for instance, a runner who finished Dubai in 2:04 but came in 7th ....). Rupp's agent, Ricky Simms, would be able to play John Hancock and Virgin off one another to get the best deal for the client. Even if Rupp wanted to run Boston because a US win would win more for his brand and for Nike, if London came along with $500K or more in appearance fees, that would be pretty hard to decline.

With respect to his running Prague - a previous poster mentioned in the Kelly Taylor thread that the penalty issue may explain why Rupp was announced, withdrawn, and then re-announced. It's possible Prague made up for the appearance fee .... perhaps Nike paid it .... or perhaps John Hancock negotiated some kind of 2019 appearance in exchange for its agreeing to waive the penalty. We don't know. Only people who reliably know are Galen, Alberto, JH, and Ricky Simms.

Kellyn Taylor mentioned the 60 Day No Marathon - restriction. Presumably that was only for her appearance fee, but who knows what was stated specifically in the contract. Regardless, she had less bargaining power. She has one US road title (25K in 2014), 6th in the US marathon Trials in 2016, came in 4th in the 10,000 US Olympic trials that same year, and in 2017 ran her then PR marathon in London, 2:28:51.

She is a very good runner, but realistically, JH and Virgin weren't going to go nuts trying to get her signed up for their races in 2018. Basically, she could be presented with a take it or leave it contract ....... To her credit. She seems a lot more likable than most pro runners - including Rupp.

This fall, she'll be more in demand with a 2:24 - and hopefully she can capitalize on that. But in 2019, without more, it's not like JH and Virgin will be climbing over each other to sign her up. Not when Molly, Desi, ....maybe Shalane ... and Jordan Hasay are out there.

dfadsfads wrote:

Pretty sure Rupp is one of the most consistent racers the US has ever had. I can only think of a few did not starts from him, and I think that Boston was the first DNF I remember coming from him.

You must be joking.

He has DNS results in high profile races: Stanford 10,000, Stockholm 5,000, Monaco 5,000, NB Indoor Games, Boston Marathon...just off the top of my head.

Name another elite runner and list than many DNFs.