Stanford does actually and is more around 40k for PhD students. The UCs like UC Berkeley do not adjust as well for higher costs of living and the salary is substantially lower than Stanford. This may be a private vs public school thing.
Source: Berkeley PhD, Stanford post-doc
You should be thankful that Ph.D. students, paid so little, subsidize your classes and the research that makes the culture and science and technology of this country and world go. Often they are teaching 8 or more classes a year for under 20k, with 300-400 students paying, say, $2k per person per class. So, they are in essence generating as much as $800k/year for $20k, and on a much lower estimate of classes taught, they might still be generating ten times what they cost. That's why administrators want so many of them. And then they make almost equally cheap, exploitable labor for administrators when they become adjuncts after graduation, whether stopping with the M.A. or getting the Ph.D. Fortunately, their unemployment rates are minuscule.
Mr. Mojo Risin wrote:
Waste of public funds.
"Public Funds"?
PhD students can get stipends in return for teaching or research. To get teaching funds, you have to teach. That's called "working". To get research funds, you have to get a grant under which you're expected to produce results. That's also called "working". Imagine that: you can get paid for working. Where does this money come from? Teaching funds come from the University budget. Are you sitting down? Most universities are *private*. Research funds come from all sorts of places, both private and public.
Are you that stupid?
Bra-ket wrote:
"paid" wrote:
I'm at a Big 12 school and I get 14k/year.
Ouch..that's rough. . Now I look like an idiot. How livable is it?
Do you get benefits? Are you PhD or a masters student? Where does your funding come from (TAship or RAship)? I was referring to STEM PhDs and I recognize that funding is considerably more limited in other disciplines and at the masters level.
I'm a PhD student in the humanties. I'm a TA and teach 2 classes each semester all on my own (without the aid of a professor). Many of my classmates work a second job to help make ends meet. We get discounted health insurance and dental (still pay about 300 a semester for it). I do know that TAs in the sciences at my school are paid considerably more.
sdfsfs wrote:
Serious question: is it only worth it to do a PhD (and really only in sciences/engineering) if you can do it at a top tier school like Stanford, MIT, etc.? It seems like people from there get lots of job offers and make a lot of money after the PhD but I am not sure about your run of the mill college.
It's very dependent on your research agenda, number of pubs, and grants written. A name might open a few doors for consideration but any "top tier" graduate with less than 10 pubs (a couple lead and many co-authorships) will not be looked at favorably over a "low tier" grad with those pubs and grants.
Nigel_Bikes wrote:
Mr. Mojo Risin wrote:
Until recently I didn't know this. What a joke. Waste of public funds.
Where have you been? It's pretty common knowledge. Most PhD students receive an assistantship either in teaching or research. They work for the university and in doing so their tuition is waived and they receive a small stipend for either teaching classes, assisting a faculty member with classes or conducting research for a professor. Obviously the stipend is small, like minimum wage.....maybe! You can get by with it while you are doing your PhD but it's not really a livable wage. Nowhere near it. My wife, her brother, and his wife all had assistantships back when they were doing their PhD's. Oh, and here's another one to burst your bubble. A lot of international students are on assistantships too. Yep, that's right........non-US citizens receiving taxpayer money to complete their education here. I bet Peter Snell (ever heard of him?) was an international student doing his PhD at Washington State University back in 1976-1981. I'm pretty sure he was an assistantship as well. It's very common as I said earlier.
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zxcvzxcv wrote:
You should be thankful that Ph.D. students, paid so little, subsidize your classes and the research that makes the culture and science and technology of this country and world go. Often they are teaching 8 or more classes a year for under 20k, with 300-400 students paying, say, $2k per person per class. So, they are in essence generating as much as $800k/year for $20k, and on a much lower estimate of classes taught, they might still be generating ten times what they cost. That's why administrators want so many of them. And then they make almost equally cheap, exploitable labor for administrators when they become adjuncts after graduation, whether stopping with the M.A. or getting the Ph.D. Fortunately, their unemployment rates are minuscule.
+1
sdfsfs wrote:
Serious question: is it only worth it to do a PhD (and really only in sciences/engineering) if you can do it at a top tier school like Stanford, MIT, etc.? It seems like people from there get lots of job offers and make a lot of money after the PhD but I am not sure about your run of the mill college.
No, just had a friend get his PhD specializing in nanomaterials from UConn. Got a job at a microchip maker starting at 125k. Not Bay Area so the money will go further.
MurderDub wrote:
True. I did my Ph.D. at UC-Not-Going-to-Name-It-Here and my stipend was about $26k. I studied hard, did some extra teaching at a nearby CC and made due.
Made due? Does that mean that you paid the rent on time?
Glad I wasn't taking any of those classes you taught.
Bio Dome wrote:
MurderDub wrote:
True. I did my Ph.D. at UC-Not-Going-to-Name-It-Here and my stipend was about $26k. I studied hard, did some extra teaching at a nearby CC and made due.
Made due? Does that mean that you paid the rent on time?
Glad I wasn't taking any of those classes you taught.
lighten up francis!
Bio Dome, huh? What are you a Bannon supporter?
asgdasfasfasd wrote:...I don't think you should do a PhD if you have no intention of going on in academia or doing some sort of research.I went back to school, first for a masters (mid-90s), then for a doctorate (mid-00s), simply for the benefit of learning more, to broaden my horizons and make me more effective in private practice (as a consulting engineer). I love school, but there's no way I would want to work in academia, and I'm not particularly wired for research (although that's an essential part of any doctoral work).
Mr. Mojo Risin wrote:
Until recently I didn't know this. What a joke. Waste of public funds.
1) These are not just public funds. My wife went to graduate school at Stanford...didn't have to pay for her education and had a stipend on top of that. She also didn't have to do some non-career type job while there either...she worked in a lab there, doing experiments on HIV.
2) As has already been told to you, this is most common in the sciences. I see no better use of public or private funds to help educate scientists to the Ph.D. level.
Mr. Mojo Risin wrote:
Until recently I didn't know this. What a joke. Waste of public funds.
Yawn. You expect folks to do research for 5 years for free?
For all practical purposes, you can consider the stipend to be an entry level salary for a early-stage researcher. What is the harm in that?
Moron.
STEM wrote:
yeah they get paid less than minimum wage to make advances in technology so we can have things like iphones and planes.
Limit to STEM
Wait. Now PhD students are victims too? Who is not a victim in this world?
It's pretty much only engineering types that are getting paid, and that is because they are teaching or doing funded research. Someone getting a PhD in art history is likely paying for it.
John Utah wrote:
STEM wrote:
yeah they get paid less than minimum wage to make advances in technology so we can have things like iphones and planes.
Limit to STEM
Does biology count as STEM, or should I pay my money back? Did MS and PhD. in life science studying non-human animals. I don't believe in god either.
Flagpole wrote:
I see no better use of public or private funds to help educate scientists to the Ph.D. level.
Wow. Shocking.
should I pay my money back? wrote:
John Utah wrote:
Limit to STEM
Does biology count as STEM, or should I pay my money back? Did MS and PhD. in life science studying non-human animals. I don't believe in god either.
What is the S in stem?
John Utah wrote:
should I pay my money back? wrote:
Does biology count as STEM, or should I pay my money back? Did MS and PhD. in life science studying non-human animals. I don't believe in god either.
What is the S in stem?
Schemistry?
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