I'd say about 3 hours flat. Sure, it takes some work, but most people could do it if they put the effort in.
I'd say about 3 hours flat. Sure, it takes some work, but most people could do it if they put the effort in.
Most people could never do either one.
Short coat or long coat kind of MD? DO? Caribbean DO? What about ultra time equivalents?
2:45 men/3:05 women are at about the top 1%; DNF/DNS rate for prospective med students is probably much higher than those planning to do a marathon. i.e., a very large portion of those starting out in pre-med for at least year never even submit an application let alone finish 4 years of study.
Stratification by med school (note that you aren't really a doctor until you finish a residency)
Harvard, UCSF, Hopkins - 2:05 and faster
Penn, Stanford, UCLA, Duke, WashU - 2:05 - 2:10
Columbia, Michigan, Pittsburgh, Yale, University of Washington - 2:10 - 2:15
Baylor, Vandy, Mayo, Mt. Sinai, Case, NYU, Northwestern, Emory, Cornell, UNC, UCSD, UofC - 2:15 - 2:20
Decent state school with substantial research $$ (eg UTSW, Alabama, OSU, Iowa etc) - 2:20 - 2:30
Random low-tier state school or private school w/o significant NIH $$ (SUNY, UNM etc) - 2:30 - 3:00
DO/Caribbean - 3:00 or slower
Anyone can go to 'a' med school but not the top schools. Obviously talent is less of a factor for entering a top 3 med school than running a 2:05 marathon.
Definitive rankings of Med schools by marathon time wrote:
Stratification by med school (note that you aren't really a doctor until you finish a residency)
Harvard, UCSF, Hopkins - 2:05 and faster
Penn, Stanford, UCLA, Duke, WashU - 2:05 - 2:10
Columbia, Michigan, Pittsburgh, Yale, University of Washington - 2:10 - 2:15
Baylor, Vandy, Mayo, Mt. Sinai, Case, NYU, Northwestern, Emory, Cornell, UNC, UCSD, UofC - 2:15 - 2:20
Decent state school with substantial research $$ (eg UTSW, Alabama, OSU, Iowa etc) - 2:20 - 2:30
Random low-tier state school or private school w/o significant NIH $$ (SUNY, UNM etc) - 2:30 - 3:00
DO/Caribbean - 3:00 or slower
Anyone can go to 'a' med school but not the top schools. Obviously talent is less of a factor for entering a top 3 med school than running a 2:05 marathon.
Doesn't really make sense, though. There are a finite number of med school slots...there aren't a finite number of sub-2:20 slots. Getting into med school (even a top one) proves nothing other than you got into med school.
Definitive rankings of Med schools by marathon time wrote:
Stratification by med school (note that you aren't really a doctor until you finish a residency)
Harvard, UCSF, Hopkins - 2:05 and faster
Penn, Stanford, UCLA, Duke, WashU - 2:05 - 2:10
Columbia, Michigan, Pittsburgh, Yale, University of Washington - 2:10 - 2:15
Baylor, Vandy, Mayo, Mt. Sinai, Case, NYU, Northwestern, Emory, Cornell, UNC, UCSD, UofC - 2:15 - 2:20
Decent state school with substantial research $$ (eg UTSW, Alabama, OSU, Iowa etc) - 2:20 - 2:30
Random low-tier state school or private school w/o significant NIH $$ (SUNY, UNM etc) - 2:30 - 3:00
DO/Caribbean - 3:00 or slower
Anyone can go to 'a' med school but not the top schools. Obviously talent is less of a factor for entering a top 3 med school than running a 2:05 marathon.
This is ludicrous - 2:05 and faster for Harvard Med, who enrolls 1660?
Zuck wrote:
Definitive rankings of Med schools by marathon time wrote:
Stratification by med school (note that you aren't really a doctor until you finish a residency)
Harvard, UCSF, Hopkins - 2:05 and faster
Penn, Stanford, UCLA, Duke, WashU - 2:05 - 2:10
Columbia, Michigan, Pittsburgh, Yale, University of Washington - 2:10 - 2:15
Baylor, Vandy, Mayo, Mt. Sinai, Case, NYU, Northwestern, Emory, Cornell, UNC, UCSD, UofC - 2:15 - 2:20
Decent state school with substantial research $$ (eg UTSW, Alabama, OSU, Iowa etc) - 2:20 - 2:30
Random low-tier state school or private school w/o significant NIH $$ (SUNY, UNM etc) - 2:30 - 3:00
DO/Caribbean - 3:00 or slower
Anyone can go to 'a' med school but not the top schools. Obviously talent is less of a factor for entering a top 3 med school than running a 2:05 marathon.
This is ludicrous - 2:05 and faster for Harvard Med, who enrolls 1660?
On top of which, Harvard, UCSF, Hopkins etc take only the no. of people they have slots for. If they published a qual. standard--gpa, mcat score, 5k time--the no. of people who meet (or "train" to meet that) would be way, way above the no. of slots they have.
Zuck wrote:
Definitive rankings of Med schools by marathon time wrote:
Stratification by med school (note that you aren't really a doctor until you finish a residency)
Harvard, UCSF, Hopkins - 2:05 and faster
Penn, Stanford, UCLA, Duke, WashU - 2:05 - 2:10
Columbia, Michigan, Pittsburgh, Yale, University of Washington - 2:10 - 2:15
Baylor, Vandy, Mayo, Mt. Sinai, Case, NYU, Northwestern, Emory, Cornell, UNC, UCSD, UofC - 2:15 - 2:20
Decent state school with substantial research $$ (eg UTSW, Alabama, OSU, Iowa etc) - 2:20 - 2:30
Random low-tier state school or private school w/o significant NIH $$ (SUNY, UNM etc) - 2:30 - 3:00
DO/Caribbean - 3:00 or slower
Anyone can go to 'a' med school but not the top schools. Obviously talent is less of a factor for entering a top 3 med school than running a 2:05 marathon.
This is ludicrous - 2:05 and faster for Harvard Med, who enrolls 1660?
Harvard Medical has a 62-72% attrition rate over 8 years. So if there are 1660 across 8 years, of which 67% will graduate (taking the average)... that's 1,112 MDs coming out of Harvard Medical in an 8-year span. Now if we took the 1,112th fastest individual marathoner... that would be much slower than 2:05.
3 1/2 hours whatever the med school. Multiple thousands of people become MDs every year in the US; it is a good but not at all an exceptional achievement. Trying to be even just a moderately fast distance runner such as a 30 minute 10k runner or a 2 1/2 hr marathon runner is going to be much harder in terms of absolute talent required and dedication to the task.
According to Wikipedia and some census extrapolation:
"As of 2016, there were over 950,000 practicing physicians in the United States. 93% have an MD degree, and 76% were educated in the United States."
So among unique finishers what is the 900,000th marathoner's best time? That would at least give you an idea of the comparison in the United States.
Ok, good points. You're right that running 2:05 and going to Harvard Med aren't equivalent accomplishments. Here's another attempt
Harvard, UCSF, Hopkins - 2:12 or faster
Penn, Stanford, UCLA, Duke, WashU - 2:12 - 2:20
Columbia, Michigan, Pittsburgh, Yale, University of Washington - 2:20-2:30
Baylor, Vandy, Mayo, Mt. Sinai, Case, NYU, Northwestern, Emory, Cornell, UNC, UCSD, UofC - 2:30-3:00
Decent state school with substantial research $$ (eg UTSW, Alabama, OSU, Iowa etc) - 3:00 - 3:30
Random low-tier state school or private school w/o significant NIH $$ (SUNY, UNM etc) - 3:30 - 4:00
DO/Caribbean - 4:00 or slower
Note that by these rankings most med students will be equivalent to 3:30 or slower. 2:30 or faster is equivalent to a top
12 med school - which accomplishment is harder? Marathon requires more talent and is physically more taxing (obviously). Top med school preceded by college and followed by top residency (3-7 yrs) will take longer sustained effort.
The average salary of lowest paid medical specialty (Pediatrics) is ~$200K. Not many marathoners have made that in even a single year. Wilson Kipsang did. He ran 2:03. To be fair, you'd really need to compare lifetime earnings. I suspect you'd find a few in the 2:03-2:07 range.
You biased jerk, you Forgot Lake Erie college of osteopathic medicine (LECOM) - equivalent to a 2:02 marathon.
Rankings 2nd try wrote:
Ok, good points. You're right that running 2:05 and going to Harvard Med aren't equivalent accomplishments. Here's another attempt
Harvard, UCSF, Hopkins - 2:12 or faster
Penn, Stanford, UCLA, Duke, WashU - 2:12 - 2:20
Columbia, Michigan, Pittsburgh, Yale, University of Washington - 2:20-2:30
Baylor, Vandy, Mayo, Mt. Sinai, Case, NYU, Northwestern, Emory, Cornell, UNC, UCSD, UofC - 2:30-3:00
Decent state school with substantial research $$ (eg UTSW, Alabama, OSU, Iowa etc) - 3:00 - 3:30
Random low-tier state school or private school w/o significant NIH $$ (SUNY, UNM etc) - 3:30 - 4:00
DO/Caribbean - 4:00 or slower
These comparisons are tough because there is so much more randomness in the application process than in marathon performance. No one steps to the line of a marathon thinking "I'm expecting a 3:30, but I might just get lucky and throw down a 2:20." That (and the reverse) basically happen all the time in the application process, though.
The marathon has no subjective element. Med school does. You don't get a faster time for being a pillar of your community for instance.
Zuck wrote:
Zuck wrote:
This is ludicrous - 2:05 and faster for Harvard Med, who enrolls 1660?
Harvard Medical has a 62-72% attrition rate over 8 years. So if there are 1660 across 8 years, of which 67% will graduate (taking the average)... that's 1,112 MDs coming out of Harvard Medical in an 8-year span. Now if we took the 1,112th fastest individual marathoner... that would be much slower than 2:05.
Lolwut
You’re obviously trolling, but medical school is 4 years, and Harvard medical school has like 100-200 students per year, with an attrition rate of ~1%.
Princeton = podiatry
You could probably look at RRCA statistics for the number of male marathon finishers at a certain time (2:40?), and the number of female marathon finishers at an equivalent marathon time (3:00?) in a given year, then see how that number compares with the number of students admitted to medical school (in the US?) for that same year. You could assume that if a man runs under 2:40 once, he could do it again in the following year (or did it in the previous year. You could similarly assume that if someone starts medical school, they likely will finish medical school. This is an over-simplification.