Some people just wanna watch the wold burn...enter the leftist agenda and Caster Semenya

celery wrote:

I'm often political on these boards. I didn't used to be. I used to come here to only discus running. But the left and their agenda wouldn't leave well enough alone. Their intersectional, oppressor/oppressed theory of white privilege nonsense has invaded the sport I love. It's slowly dying. Here is an article posted on letsrun's main page that revisits the issue where the spearhead of leftist fascism into our sport first began.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/18/the-unequal-battle-privilege-genes-gender-and-power

Here's my favorite examples of nonsense from the article, followed by my commentary in parentheses.

"In seeking to define the boundaries of womanhood – our genetics, our apparel, our most intimate parts and experiences – women are being policed. Worryingly, the very rules designed to protect us are becoming our oppressors."

(Here we have the constant drum beat of oppression, totally detached from any precise demonstration of who is being oppressed and in what way they are wronged.)

"Usain Bolt is almost 2m tall and, combined with lightning fast leg turnover, obliterated the competition through three Olympic cycles. But no one complained that his presence in the competition made for an uneven playing field. So why should gender be singled out for regulation?"

(Umm, maybe because sports are divided into M/F categories. Unless you want to just get rid of those categories, we'll see how that works out for women. But if we did eliminated M/F categories, the left would have something else over which to claim oppression, so I guess its win/win for them.)

"The IAAF must show that female athletes with higher total T [testosterone] have a performance difference that approximates what male athletes typically have over female athletes; not that female athletes with higher T have any competitive advantage over their peers. In other words, it has to be a big performance difference, which CAS put in the 10-12% range. What the study found is nothing near this."

(Let me translate that for you; If a person with a Y chromosome who also has a disorder of sexual development, is not at least 10% stronger (like a normally developed man) than normal women who have no Y chromosome, then we will pretend the Y chromosome doesn't help that person perform better than XX women.)

"I remember being surprised at the certainty with which those around me discussed her gender, based on her appearance. If Semenya was white, with long hair and make-up, would there have been the same amount of outcry?"

(If Anna Kessel -the writer of this article- can't tell that Caster looks VERY masculine compared to other women, I'm not certain the visual part of Anna's brain is fully developed.)

"Msimang says there is yet to be a genuine groundswell of movement towards championing women’s equality in sport."

(Equality in sport, WTF are you talking about? Sports by it's very nature a way to measure who is athletically better than who.)

"One of the reasons I got into this is because I really hated the way that stories of Muslim women in sport were written about,” she explains. “They’re all written by a white guy. There’s very little understanding of the geopolitical context, that Muslim women are not a monolith.”

(Only in the muddled mind of an intersectional feminist, could muslim and Hypoandrogenism have anything to do with each other.)

"in Canada the women’s professional ice hockey league are not paid, despite it being a national sport. They receive a food stipend and their travel expenses, and that’s it. “I was appalled when I found this out. We like to tout ourselves as developed nations, the UK, Canada, Australia. But the struggles of women in sport are universally exactly the same whether that’s the Matildas fighting for equal pay, the Danish women’s team, England’s Lionesses.”

(And yet the article conveniently leaves out the part where XX women loose out on prize money to an intersex athlete.)

This is only a sampling of the nonsense in this article. Nearly every paragraph is filled with lefty buzzwords and convoluted logic. The article visits every unrelated topic possible (race, class, colonialism, sexism, hijabs, etc.) in order to confuse the real questions pertaining to Castor's situation. The only purpose of intersectionality is that you can completely disregard logic and throw every scrap of supposed oppression into one big pot, and get people such as those on the CAS court to rule in your favor. The CAS court's only motivation (if it isn't already taken over by leftist) is to say "we're not racist, we're not sexist, we're not colonialists, we're not the privileged oppressors."

I understand that Caster is intersex, so her case is not as clear cut as if a transgender man wants to compete against women. However, the theme of my post is that with the non-logic of intersectionality that seems to rule the CAS decisions, its just a matter of time before trans men are taking women's medals. Caster is the canary in the coal mine.

SAD.

Left Lionel wrote:

celery wrote:

I'm often political on these boards. I didn't used to be. I used to come here to only discus running. But the left and their agenda wouldn't leave well enough alone. Their intersectional, oppressor/oppressed theory of white privilege nonsense has invaded the sport I love. It's slowly dying. Here is an article posted on letsrun's main page that revisits the issue where the spearhead of leftist fascism into our sport first began.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/18/the-unequal-battle-privilege-genes-gender-and-power

Here's my favorite examples of nonsense from the article, followed by my commentary in parentheses.

"In seeking to define the boundaries of womanhood – our genetics, our apparel, our most intimate parts and experiences – women are being policed. Worryingly, the very rules designed to protect us are becoming our oppressors."

(Here we have the constant drum beat of oppression, totally detached from any precise demonstration of who is being oppressed and in what way they are wronged.)

"Usain Bolt is almost 2m tall and, combined with lightning fast leg turnover, obliterated the competition through three Olympic cycles. But no one complained that his presence in the competition made for an uneven playing field. So why should gender be singled out for regulation?"

(Umm, maybe because sports are divided into M/F categories. Unless you want to just get rid of those categories, we'll see how that works out for women. But if we did eliminated M/F categories, the left would have something else over which to claim oppression, so I guess its win/win for them.)

"The IAAF must show that female athletes with higher total T [testosterone] have a performance difference that approximates what male athletes typically have over female athletes; not that female athletes with higher T have any competitive advantage over their peers. In other words, it has to be a big performance difference, which CAS put in the 10-12% range. What the study found is nothing near this."

(Let me translate that for you; If a person with a Y chromosome who also has a disorder of sexual development, is not at least 10% stronger (like a normally developed man) than normal women who have no Y chromosome, then we will pretend the Y chromosome doesn't help that person perform better than XX women.)

"I remember being surprised at the certainty with which those around me discussed her gender, based on her appearance. If Semenya was white, with long hair and make-up, would there have been the same amount of outcry?"

(If Anna Kessel -the writer of this article- can't tell that Caster looks VERY masculine compared to other women, I'm not certain the visual part of Anna's brain is fully developed.)

"Msimang says there is yet to be a genuine groundswell of movement towards championing women’s equality in sport."

(Equality in sport, WTF are you talking about? Sports by it's very nature a way to measure who is athletically better than who.)

"One of the reasons I got into this is because I really hated the way that stories of Muslim women in sport were written about,” she explains. “They’re all written by a white guy. There’s very little understanding of the geopolitical context, that Muslim women are not a monolith.”

(Only in the muddled mind of an intersectional feminist, could muslim and Hypoandrogenism have anything to do with each other.)

"in Canada the women’s professional ice hockey league are not paid, despite it being a national sport. They receive a food stipend and their travel expenses, and that’s it. “I was appalled when I found this out. We like to tout ourselves as developed nations, the UK, Canada, Australia. But the struggles of women in sport are universally exactly the same whether that’s the Matildas fighting for equal pay, the Danish women’s team, England’s Lionesses.”

(And yet the article conveniently leaves out the part where XX women loose out on prize money to an intersex athlete.)

This is only a sampling of the nonsense in this article. Nearly every paragraph is filled with lefty buzzwords and convoluted logic. The article visits every unrelated topic possible (race, class, colonialism, sexism, hijabs, etc.) in order to confuse the real questions pertaining to Castor's situation. The only purpose of intersectionality is that you can completely disregard logic and throw every scrap of supposed oppression into one big pot, and get people such as those on the CAS court to rule in your favor. The CAS court's only motivation (if it isn't already taken over by leftist) is to say "we're not racist, we're not sexist, we're not colonialists, we're not the privileged oppressors."

I understand that Caster is intersex, so her case is not as clear cut as if a transgender man wants to compete against women. However, the theme of my post is that with the non-logic of intersectionality that seems to rule the CAS decisions, its just a matter of time before trans men are taking women's medals. Caster is the canary in the coal mine.

SAD.

You lost me at ‘lefties’. Yawn.

Professor Noel Ignatiev wrote:

celery wrote:

Yes, I spotted the typo in my subject line.

Folks with common sense won't worry about things like typos. It's those with the leftist bent who'll attack something like a typo because they can't argue with facts.

The people behind the "left" are the same people who funded and led the bolshevik revolution in Russia. The people behind the left the same folks who ran the gulags in the old USSR. Read Solzhenitsyn's works, especially "200 Years Together". You'll see why the media that at first sought to use him against the USSR when these usual suspects lost their complete control of that nation's govt. decided to make Solzhenitsyn persona non grata. He told the truth.

The people behind the left always portray themselves as history's ultimate victims and the very embodiment of tolerance and understanding when their actual behavior shows them to be the opposite. They back "equality" in all areas as a cover for creating chaos, breaking down societies. That's the way they work; divide and conquer.

The left, with their control over most of the MSM (which is starting to break down, hence their endless campaigns for internet "equality" and internet censorship) have brainwashed well over half the populations of various Western nations into never stepping back and thinking about anything. These segments of those populations just engage in knee-jerk reactions and behaviors and pat themselves on the back for it. Your average SWJ type is a perfect example of this, not even canny enough to ask themselves why they hate their own kind. You'll notice that the people who truly lead the left (and a chunk of the 'right' - the fake opposition) will never, ever truly criticize their own ilk, only providing superficial, one-time remarks or stories that rapidly disappear down the memory hole. We'll never hear the end of stories about Hitler, but we never, ever see stories about their own mass murderers who make Hitler look like a piker, murderers like Lazar Kaganovitch, Genrikh Yagoda, Lavrenti Beria in the USSR, never mind others in the Eastern Bloc like Tito who hid his real name and origins. Nope, not a word. Do some homework. Or read some of the works by the prof. whose name is the monicker for those post. Then take a minute to look at his real objective.

Or look up Barbara Lerner Spectre. Then look into why she and her ilk don't work toward the same for "their own". Only looking to destroy the West. They certainly aren't looking for equality or fighting oppression in Asia lol.

run with the wom wrote:

Professor Noel Ignatiev wrote:

Folks with common sense won't worry about things like typos. It's those with the leftist bent who'll attack something like a typo because they can't argue with facts.

The people behind the "left" are the same people who funded and led the bolshevik revolution in Russia. The people behind the left the same folks who ran the gulags in the old USSR. Read Solzhenitsyn's works, especially "200 Years Together". You'll see why the media that at first sought to use him against the USSR when these usual suspects lost their complete control of that nation's govt. decided to make Solzhenitsyn persona non grata. He told the truth.

The people behind the left always portray themselves as history's ultimate victims and the very embodiment of tolerance and understanding when their actual behavior shows them to be the opposite. They back "equality" in all areas as a cover for creating chaos, breaking down societies. That's the way they work; divide and conquer.

The left, with their control over most of the MSM (which is starting to break down, hence their endless campaigns for internet "equality" and internet censorship) have brainwashed well over half the populations of various Western nations into never stepping back and thinking about anything. These segments of those populations just engage in knee-jerk reactions and behaviors and pat themselves on the back for it. Your average SWJ type is a perfect example of this, not even canny enough to ask themselves why they hate their own kind. You'll notice that the people who truly lead the left (and a chunk of the 'right' - the fake opposition) will never, ever truly criticize their own ilk, only providing superficial, one-time remarks or stories that rapidly disappear down the memory hole. We'll never hear the end of stories about Hitler, but we never, ever see stories about their own mass murderers who make Hitler look like a piker, murderers like Lazar Kaganovitch, Genrikh Yagoda, Lavrenti Beria in the USSR, never mind others in the Eastern Bloc like Tito who hid his real name and origins. Nope, not a word. Do some homework. Or read some of the works by the prof. whose name is the monicker for those post. Then take a minute to look at his real objective.

Or look up Barbara Lerner Spectre. Then look into why she and her ilk don't work toward the same for "their own". Only looking to destroy the West. They certainly aren't looking for equality or fighting oppression in Asia lol.

COMPLETE TROLL POST. NOBODY GIVES A S##T ABOUT YOUR RUSSIAN HISTORY LESSON.