Donyiyo wrote:
I know that and any runner about my age (50 over) knows that. Millennial students think Rupp’s is hot running times the best from 37 years ago used to do almost on a monthly basis, and they used to work and run. You will not see a generation of US runners like that again. You are lucky you ONLY have Rupp,
But Rupp's a virtual 2:03 guy hardee hah hah...
And imagine the hard men- and women- of the 1980s had Rupp's coddling, health care are doping regime?
Hey PNW, did u ever know Leo Cerny? I spoke to his father who indicated he ran Seattle Marathon in 2:24 and change in the early 80s. I think Leo 16 or 18 yrs old
Grace Slick wrote:
18??? How did you do that? Impressive. I ran it the same year and was several minutes ahead of you but I was 28...
I would love to see conclusive evidence that when you compile all the current US marathon times they would be lesser (greater?) than the depth of past (75?-85?) marathons. And, forget about the course measurements-it doesn't negate the number of past finishers under 2:15, 2:20, 2:30, 2;40, 2:50 or sub 3 and beyond.
This really would not take a magic trick or any long data entry. Those annual lists already exist. In Runner's World at the end of the year, there would be all the U.S. Marathoners compiled into a list. I remember when I was 17 and ran 2:34 at REVCO Cleveland, I saw my time on the list at the end of the year. WAAAYYYYY down the list!!
Just find someone who has those old annual issues and then compare it to today's electronic list. Just be prepared. The depth from 1978-1983 is going to depress you compared to today.
vivalarepublica wrote:
About 300 finishers under 2:30. Do we even have that many finishers under 2:30 each year at all US marathoners?
the same in every race , no matter which distance. in my club a runner with a 34/10k had no chance to be qualified for the b-team, in every local race 10 or 15 sub 35 runners at least. today a 34 is in many races the first place here.
The 1975 BM had 49 people under 2 20. That s when Bill Rodgers ran his AT 2 09 55.
The Overexplainer wrote:
Grace Slick wrote:
18??? How did you do that? Impressive. I ran it the same year and was several minutes ahead of you but I was 28...
I would love to see conclusive evidence that when you compile all the current US marathon times they would be lesser (greater?) than the depth of past (75?-85?) marathons. And, forget about the course measurements-it doesn't negate the number of past finishers under 2:15, 2:20, 2:30, 2;40, 2:50 or sub 3 and beyond.
This really would not take a magic trick or any long data entry. Those annual lists already exist. In Runner's World at the end of the year, there would be all the U.S. Marathoners compiled into a list. I remember when I was 17 and ran 2:34 at REVCO Cleveland, I saw my time on the list at the end of the year. WAAAYYYYY down the list!!
Just find someone who has those old annual issues and then compare it to today's electronic list. Just be prepared. The depth from 1978-1983 is going to depress you compared to today.
Not to mention the 1980 Olympic marathon trial : 1st top 3 ran under 2:11.
While the average American marathon time is probably much, much slower consider the
2012 US Olympic Trials (Houston) Results:
2:09 didn't take the team for the first time in history as we had 4 guys under 2:10! (Before that a sub 2:12 at the Trials always made the team).
We had 21 guys under 2:15:00....all Americans...same course, same day.
I finished smack in the middle of the back in 43rd place with a 2:18:24...we had 50 guys under 2:19:00.
Its not that bad now either. We probably should have more guys who run 2:12-2:15 like Japan though....that would increase the depth of the top 100 guys or so in the country.
Another interesting stat: When they had the sub 65-min (now 64-min) half qualifying time for the Trials...more guys actually hit that and qualified for the Trials than guys that actually ran under 2:19:00.
typo in my post above...
We had 50 guys under 2:20 at the Olympic Trials in Houston '12.
Megan Keith (14:43) DESTROYS Parker Valby's 5000 PB in Shanghai
Colin Sahlman runs 1:45 and Nico Young runs 1:47 in the 800m tonight at the Desert Heat Classic
Molly Seidel Fails To Debut As An Ultra Runner After Running A Road Marathon The Week Before
Hallowed sub-16 barrier finally falls - 3 teams led by Villanova's 15:51.91 do it at Penn Relays!!!
2024 Boston marathon - The first non-carbon assisted finisher ran..... 2:34