Will a 9:40 3200 get me a scholarship to Notre Dame

fantasitc sarcastic wrote:

omygoodnes wrote:

At 9:40, you should move on with your life..

ha ha ha

In all seriousness, you should move on with your life no matter what your best time happens to be. The likelihood you will be able to support yourself based off of your running talent is slim to none.

If you are running 8:40 in high school, the experiences you have running will be well worth it. Just being on varsity at a major athletic program is a great, life building experience. I still think I get sales from saying I was a varsity athlete at state flagships university.

But yeah, 9:40 with ivy aspirations should pick academics over Athletics. I'd prefer you be on Harvard's club team than full scholarship varsity at a Horizon League bottom feeder.

Forget running dude wrote:

Go to Harvard, forget running. You can run as a hobbyist.

Go to Harvard. If you don't like the coach, just get him fired! It's easy there!

This is true. Do everything in your power to get in front of the coach, and be there. Work your butt off, and in two or three years you may be able to contribute. You're right on the edge of where a lot of guys were, and they're part of it now. You can be, too. Enduring, and putting in the work essentially forever is the key. Be smart.

If you are a senior and only running 9:40, you should look at D3 colleges in your area such as St. Olaf, UW Eau Claire, Loras, or Wartburg. Those schools more closely match your race times. Unless you have a 35 or 36 ACT, you will probably not be accepted to the schools that you listed without some other type of boost. Even then, I know a boy who got rejected from some of those schools and he scored a 35 and a near perfect SAT. Even if you find a D1 college that allows you to walkon, it will probably be miserable getting smashed by average D1 guys. 8:20 for 3k is nothing in D1 and that is 8:55 for 3200 indoor.

I would say yes, you can walk-on, you should be talented enough with a good mindset. There was a guy from my school who is currently going to Notre Dame he was a 9:36 man, however his potential was far greater than that. On our home XC course he was the number 2 all time with a 15:23, behind only a guy who went on to get second at Arcadia (8:50) and go to Oregon on a big ride. In that race he was second by a few seconds to a guy now known for hastily leaving, then transferring, then not transferring... He didn't race well however and he even dropped out then re-entered in the biggest invitational in the state. He was really smart and his studies definitely ate into his running and never could reach his potential. His senior cross country season was the best he got, but he struggled in track compared to his XC abilities. Since his track times werent fast, he couldn't get a scholarship and he was not able to walk-on as a freshman; however, he was not 100% into it and he openly admits he could walk-on to the team if he applied himself, but he peaked in HS and he is OK with that - plus he studies really hard at ND. In conclusion, this guy seems really similar to you in track times and academics (judging off saying you want to go to harvard and Princeton, also of note their is a guy from the team I know that went to Harvard, but he got top three at NXR and had fast track times from junior year- it was clear the kid deserved a scholarship). But for you to get on the team (you won't get a scholarship I think, but I know little about collegiate recruiting) you will need to work hard and decide if you really want to dedicate a huge amount of your time to running. However, if you do you can definitely walk-on (if not freshman year than another year) Trust me, the guys team is not THAT good, you can walk-on.

You chose your words carefully stating that a 9:36 guy is going to Notre Dame instead of saying that he is running at Notre Dame because there are no 9:36 guys on the team. I have an athlete right now who achieved a 35 ACT and has run 9:16 indoor already this year. The coach told him that they have no room for him on the team. Don't give false hope to a 9:40 runner.

If these tales of 9:15 guys being admitted on their own yet turned away by ND coaches are true, that is disturbing.

Piane would let almost anyone walk-on if they were admitted on their own. And once on the team, it was a total meritocracy; earn your spot in practice and you race. Clearly that isn’t the model the current staff wants to employ, but the teams of the 80s, 90s, and 00s always had 1-2 walkons in the top 5-7. I can think of at least a half dozen walkons that ran over 4:25 in high school (one as slow as 4:45/10:20)that were sub 4:05, 8:10, 14:20, 30:30 and/or scored at cross country nationals.

Ryan Shay(4:17/9:20) might not even be allowed to walk on these days. Sad.

The OP is obviously a girl. Yes 9:40 would get you full ride

If you are a Sr and not yet recruited, its not looking so great for you at those programs. My kid just finished and was looking at ND and Ivies. For the Ivies if you want/need the coaches help in getting in you should have done it by the early admission date. For ND, it is no longer a distance school. They lost their iconic head coach and the culture has changed. They have cut back on the money for XC and even downsized on the walk-ons. It is super sad. No one even made the NCAA's this year on either men's or women's team.

Can't believe so many long winded responses to a troll. Harvard? YGTBK!

Agreed that it was possibly not a real OP but always good to have meaningful discussion regardless of what sparked it. I have quite a bit of direct interaction with many good distance runners every year from the area so I am pretty in touch with what is going on at the D1 colleges but I always like to hear from other people with real experience. It is surprising at how many continue with these fantasies even after reading all of the posts on this site. I have been really turned off over the past few years by ND’s lack of interest. They managed to get several elites next year so they are probably turning it around. That is a dangerous way to form a team though. A few injuries and you stay mediocre. They also don’t appear to be improving the kids. Bottom line is that they are completely snubbing 9:10 kids.

De plan wrote:

If you can run 9:40 now(indoor season)

Take the next month or so and double the mileage you’re running now and bang out a hard 2 mile run twice a week. Taper for a couple weeks and go smash a 2 miler. You’ll either run 9:10 or be broken but yolo

do not do this. this guy has no idea what hes talking about

THIS POST HAS TO BE A TROLL, but in the off-chance its not I will give you the brutally honest answer:

No A 9:40 wont get you on a D1 team and certainly wont get you a scholarship. I also question your school choices. A kid who belongs at Harvard or Notre Dame doesn't go to a forum to ask if a 9:40 gets a D1 scholarship. If you enjoy running, consider a D3 school. You won't get a scholarship but its cheaper than any of your other choices (even on scholarships). Plus your talent level is a better match for D2-D3 so you'll enjoy competing.

Don't let your ego make you choose the wrong school. Choosing the flashy, big name school just so you can turn your nose up and say "I run D1" or "I go to Harvard". is a recipe for unhappiness. Not every small school state champ is D1 caliber stuff. You'll be way happier being honest about your athletic ability and academic needs and choosing a school that actually fits you.

Without regard to running considerations, what are the factors for your attraction to ND?

To be clear, 9:40 won't get him on ND's team. He could run at Vanderbilt, Colgate, Davidson, and most D1 teams in Colgate's and Davidson's conference. He could even hook on with a lot of schools in the MAC and a lot of others throughout the country. So, if he only wants to run D1, he can certainly do that. Very unlikely that he would get any money, and if he did, it would be $1,000 or something like that. Runners can improve in college. There is a runner at Eastern Michigan who was a 9:45 guy in high school and just became the MAC champion in cross country in the fall and just ran 8:02 for 3,000 indoors. This is a rare instance, but it does happen.