The real injustice is all the other dopers who got away with a slap on the wrist or nothing, Ris, Ulrich, Landis, Hincapie, Vanvelde, and many more.
And then there's Michael Rasjuicin and Alberto Clenbutador. Or is it Albutero Clentador? Was there a single clean rider on Team Rob-A-Bank?
And we can't forget Tyler Shamilton. "Vanishing twin"? Seriously?
That sport is almost as dirty as T&F.
You mean dirtier. More money = more cheating.
slowerthanu wrote:
You mean dirtier. More money = more cheating.
Not as many Russians!!
Rojo is just jealous LA is better friends than W Bush... Lance acted badly esp to media but bike racing was very dirty before and after. Tygart is a fraud btw, every witness lied about their own doping to get Lance for him- I have no issue with Lance going down but spare us the sanctimony & bullzhit.
BoBBy KnighT wrote:
Tour da Lance wrote:
It hasn't cost him his reputation and cycling continues to move on with doping cases of their own (e.g., Froome, Sanchez, Cardoso). And LA seems to be doing really well in Aspen with his millions of $$$, mansion, fancy cars, lovely wife and all. In fact, he even hangs out & plays golf with the Pitkin County sheriff. So, the doping hasn't put a dent in his lifestye or reputation. He's made out like a "bandit" being a career doper (so much for honest, hard work in sports anymore ?). Reads this & see the life of the rich & famous:
https://www.outsideonline.com/2237386/road-goes-forever-and-story-never-endsWrong!
read the last paragraph.
Whatever happens to his finances, Armstrong still has to live out his life in his skin as the “disgraced cyclist”—the media’s favorite term—who became the global symbol of doping. “Most people don’t have to go through a public shaming and then have to look at their kids’ faces,” says Anna Hansen. “That part was really hard. We try to keep an open dialogue.” Not long ago, Hansen was talking to her and Armstrong’s son Max, then seven, about his father’s career. She was telling him that his father was one of the greatest cyclists, when Max interrupted and said, “Yeah, but he cheated.” Lance, Anna, and first-wife Kristin have spent years explaining his fall from grace to the three eldest children—twin 15-year-old girls, Isabelle and Grace, and 17-year-old Luke, who once got into fights defending his father’s reputation. With a lot of counseling and personal effort, family life has improved. But in Lance Armstrong’s world, there is no stepping away from the past. Max and his six-year-old sister, Olivia, are a stunning illustration of this: they know virtually nothing of the Armstrong narrative. Not yet. “I will be having that discussion with them for a long time,” Armstrong says. “You can’t just say to a seven-year-old, ‘It was a really bad time, and everybody did it.’”
Give me break here! So, his kids have some questions...big deal, wait till daddy starts giving them some big dough for cars, college, travel, etc., and they be won't be too concern anymore. Lol. And since you're cherry picking just one small part of the story so we can all feel sorry for poor Lance, here's a couple of paragraphs from the story describing his lifestyle of the rich & famous in Aspen:
"Armstrong’s tale is only a snapshot of his life in Aspen, where he and his family spend their summers in one of the country’s wealthiest communities, but it captures something both of his still-bumptious personality and of his existence there: lively, gregarious, free-form, rooted in family. Most of Armstrong’s life revolves around his splendid blue-shingle home near the center of town, which he bought for $9 million in 2009 and is constantly full of children and adults—a sort of standing cocktail party and kid fest that runs every night, all summer. There are occasional celebrities—race car driver Jimmie Johnson, a neighbor, is among them—but mostly the attendees are what pass in Aspen for regular people."
“You know that one house in the neighborhood where everybody likes to drop in and hang out?” DiSalvo asks me as we make our way from the restaurant to Armstrong’s. “This is that house.” The traffic that night was relatively quiet by family standards. By my tally, 23 people came through, including four overnight guests from Austin, Texas. From all accounts and appearances, the Armstrongs—his fiancée, Anna Hansen, two children by her, and three children by his first wife, Kristin, with whom he has a friendly relationship—are a happy, close-knit family. If you didn’t know any better, you might think you were looking at an ideal world."
Please...a *9* million dollar home? Famous NASCAR driver Jimmy Johnson a neighbor? That house "where everybody likes to drop in hang out?" "Standing cocktail party?"
Sounds like things are good...very good...with the LA gig in Aspen. ?
Bobby1 wrote:
The real injustice is all the other dopers who got away with a slap on the wrist or nothing, Ris, Ulrich, Landis, Hincapie, Vanvelde, and many more.
Ol Floyd might stand to make >$20 million if Lance gets hit with a judgement in the near future with us postal.
Luv2Run wrote:
If you fail, fail big wrote:
Amazing that a no-name sport like cycling could even generate $20m/year in the first place?
Running, on the other hand, THAT's where the bigs-money is....
While a few cyclists certainly made and make good money, Lance was a unique situation:
World Champion
Winner of the Most Recognized Race
American
Cancer
Without the survival of cancer, he would not have been nearly the story that he was and gotten the endorsement dollars he did get.
Let's face it, it was one of the great sports stories ever. (Heck a cynic could even say it still is since he as competing on essentially a level playing field--everyone else that was a challenger was doping too).
Yeah...and his survival of cancer makes all of this so much worse. Don't forget it was Armstrong saying to the world on "Larry King Live" that it would be crazy for a stage 4 cancer survivor to use PEDs. ???
https://youtu.be/6aJmYmasQhcthey’re my labia, ding-a-ling wrote:
Rojo is just jealous LA is better friends than W Bush... Lance acted badly esp to media but bike racing was very dirty before and after. Tygart is a fraud btw, every witness lied about their own doping to get Lance for him- I have no issue with Lance going down but spare us the sanctimony & bullzhit.
This.
The TDF is a drug fueled event. From the days it first started, and after they erected the statue to Tom Simpson who died of a amphetamine od on Mont Ventoux.
Armstrong certainly is a prick, but he was no more a doper than 90% of the elite guys including Eddy Merckx. Pantani, Ulrich, Hamilton, Beloki, etc. In fact they left his confiscated years vacate as all the others were done for doping too.
And the US is so calvanistic. The only place people seemingly 'truly' cared was the only place LA rarely raced.
Until we chase down the leadership of track and field from around 2000 where they were every bit as complicit as the SA org covering up Semenya's tests, we should dismount our high horse.
Especially guys like Craig Masbach who treated the team like he was a defense lawyer instead of the CEO of USA Track & Field.
There isn't a straight administrator in the country. This all so political. Manufactured outrage.
MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:
Has he ever admitted HOW he pulled it off?
Ie, paying off the UCI/drug testers or having his sponsor do it?
In a HBO documentary, a former TdF Champion was going talk about that under the condition of anonymity but his cover was blown and we'll never know what happened.
https://youtu.be/MCbN6-nrZYcLuv2Run wrote:
The PED use in baseball has not hurt it (in fact might have helped it).
This is why cycling sucks, and running is in the same category.
sillyman wrote:
they’re my labia, ding-a-ling wrote:
Rojo is just jealous LA is better friends than W Bush... Lance acted badly esp to media but bike racing was very dirty before and after. Tygart is a fraud btw, every witness lied about their own doping to get Lance for him- I have no issue with Lance going down but spare us the sanctimony & bullzhit.
This.
The TDF is a drug fueled event. From the days it first started, and after they erected the statue to Tom Simpson who died of a amphetamine od on Mont Ventoux.
Armstrong certainly is a prick, but he was no more a doper than 90% of the elite guys including Eddy Merckx. Pantani, Ulrich, Hamilton, Beloki, etc. In fact they left his confiscated years vacate as all the others were done for doping too.
C'mon man!..those guys you refer to never in any way, shape or form acting as egregious as LA did. I think it's funny that Merckx rides in the convertible with the other legends (Hinault, LeMond & Indurain) and LA can't. ? And too bad the UCI doesn't elevate the 2nd place finishers to LA's vacated titles - that would really make my day!
You see...posters like you forget how nefarious things were with LA during the USADA investigation. And LA has gotten away with a lot of things that others weren't so fortunate (think Marion Jones)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/lancearmstrong/9562771/Travis-Tygart-received-three-death-threats-during-Lance-Armstrong-investigation.htmlhttps://www.cbsnews.com/news/usada-head-i-got-death-threats-during-armstrong-probe/And this with Tyler Hamilton:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrong-accused-of-intimidating-potential-witness-tyler-hamilton-in-aspen-restaurant/The best thing for LA is to get out of the spotlight and lay very low. Having stories written about he is such good friends with the Pitkin County sheriff & flaunting his lavish lifestyle isn't going help his cause with many people.
Luv2Run wrote:
While a few cyclists certainly made and make good money, Lance was a unique situation:
World Champion - Doped.
Winner of the Most Recognized Race - After doing miserably at it, the right doping replays the Riis story.
American - Who doped since he was a teenager with Chris Carmichael
Cancer - Likely related to the PEDs he was using.
Fixed Races.
Litigated anyone he felt threatened to end the fictional story.
Former teammates looking to compete directly with Armstrong suddenly sanctioned after leaving Postal.
Guy was a fraud from Chris Carmichael and USA Cycling onwards.
I do feel bad that he's the only one being litigated. But, Thom Wiesel is a smart guy and insulated himself.
MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:
Has he ever admitted HOW he pulled it off?
Ie, paying off the UCI/drug testers or having his sponsor do it?
USA Cycling under Thom Wiesel liked Lance and his doping pals because Thom is okay with doping. Thom, the owner of USA Cycling, then pretends the athletes are clean and it's a sport and lands US Postal.
A little later on, you had 50,000 vanish into the UCI, presumably to bury a positive. And then you had Thom Wiesel's stock broker (and international cycling coach) Ochowicz revealing the head of the UCI, Hein Verbruggen, had a stock trading account at Thom Wiesel's firm.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/verbruggen-had-account-with-armstrong-backer-says-ochowicz/Everyone was getting paid so Armstrong would never test positive. Even ASO got in on the act, pretending they knew nothing.
Cry Me A River by the band Fungonewrong.
Watch the video on youtube. Apprpriate here.
What if he faked the cancer too? He and his team were smart enough to.
He wasn't quite at the top and so he decides to take a couple years off, dope up, lose some of the tri-muscles, and bring doping to a new level.
Brilliant.
Glad I chose running. wrote:
If you fail, fail big wrote:
Amazing that a no-name sport like cycling could even generate $20m/year in the first place?
Running, on the other hand, THAT's where the bigs-money is....
Well, cyclists will spend ~$400 for a wheel.
$400 dollar for a wheel? No they won't. That's a crappy wheel!
Try 2-3k for a wheel (Lightweight). Even a pair of Zipps is 2100. Enves can be 3100.
dasfasdfasdfsd wrote:
It's pretty cool he came clean to the future POTUS.
POTUS of where?
$400?! That is a starter wheel that not many cyclist bother with.
cancer is a bi wrote:
What if he faked the cancer too? He and his team were smart enough to.
He wasn't quite at the top and so he decides to take a couple years off, dope up, lose some of the tri-muscles, and bring doping to a new level.
Brilliant.
He didn't fake the cancer, but the hgh may have had a role in giving it to him.
Allegedly why he didn't take hgh when he returned.
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