Georgia Tech LGBT Student Shot Dead by Campus Police

Was that the Schultz that posts weird threads here?

This is exactly what I was thinking...banks get robbed all the time, should we have armed security guards at every bank branch in America?

Slow and slower wrote:

markschultz25 wrote:

Ever heard of the Virginia Tech shooting by Chao back in the late 90s? A student opened fire killing at least 19 if I recall. So yes, campus police need guns in case they ever have to respond to an active shooter situation.

Why don't they just ring up the actual police in that case?

FFS - people have terrible memories. This was in 2007, not the "late 90s"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seung-Hui_Cho

en.m.wikipedia.org

Exactly! This is why campus police are armed and why someone with a knife who won't stand down is shot. Campuses are cities with the same rules and expectations as any place else in the country. It's not important that he was confused about his gender that's not a defense.

Bleu wrote:

Exactly! This is why campus police are armed and why someone with a knife who won't stand down is shot.

Because the campus police are inept?

John Utah wrote:

Comply with police directives or get shot.

Keep advancing, with weapon in hand, towards a policeman who is pointing a gun at you - and get shot.

Obey the law.

It's so easy to NOT get shot by the police. Is there anything easier in this world? It's so easy that it appears that Darwinian evolution is taking place at GT.

For comments like this and for the folks here who are poking fun at pronouns, someone died. Someone died and it could have been prevented. Sure, they could have dropped whatever was in their hand but they did not and they are dead. Police need to be trained not to kill and try a little harder at taking their own baises/fears out of situations and do a little more peace keeping. This was not an instance where a life needed to be lost.

Atrocious that they would shoot and kill a person that easy to disable. The gender claims are completely irrelevant to this action, maybe relevant to the mental troubles but shouldn't cloud the issue in any way.

Suicide by cop?

This title is sensationalizing. Come on. The fact this person was shot has nothing to do with anything related to LGBT. You put that in just to get people in an uproar over a hot-topic issue. The fact a student was shot should be enough for a discussion.

Be better than this Letsrun.

Seriously mate? wrote:

This is exactly what I was thinking...banks get robbed all the time, should we have armed security guards at every bank branch in America?

Slow and slower wrote:

Why don't they just ring up the actual police in that case?

Banks don't have police departments. Some universities do. My school had the same type of police force that any other city of ~45K would have. As far as I know, they were the sole police force operating on campus (I can't remember ever seeing borough cops at the university).

Why would you not let the sole police force in a town of 45,000 not just do their job?

Sure. This cop probably made $30 odd grand for the prvilige if dealing with felons, whackos, drug zombies, and the mentally ill. If campuses want police/psychiatrists, maybe they can cut the high-6 or 7 figure salaries that pay the prez, football coach and basketball coach.

And before you criticize, reenact with a friend, a knife weilding maniac coming at you.

I feel bad for this guy, sure, but when it's real life, and not a news account, you might do the same as the cop.

The dead guy had every chance on earth NOT to get shot. Basically the ONLY way he could get shot was to act as he did.

Refuse orders pay consequences wrote:

Police were originally alerted the unidentified person had a knife and a gun. But faulty 9-1-1 callers never get blamed.

It puts me in mind of the Tamir Rice killing. The 911 call in that case was made by a dude who was actually still in the park where Tamir Rice was (admittedly, unwisely) playing around with his toy gun. The dude says something like "this kid's in this park and he's waving a gun around, I think it's probably a fake gun but I'm not sure."

So having received that cautious and, given the circumstances, reasonable statement from the eyewitness, the police decide that what they need to do is roll up and summarily shoot the kid without taking a second look at the situation - or even a first look, really.

I guess what I'm saying is, even when the police get a reasonable 911 call, they still sometimes kill someone for no good reason. No matter how accurate or inaccurate a 911 call turns out to be, it's ALWAYS on the officers to figure out the situation for themselves and take appropriate action.

Given the fact that these pointless killings aren't likely to stop any time soon (God Bless America!) I'm at least glad that we're starting to get situations where the whole "BUT POLICING IS HIGH STRESS AND I FEARED FOR MY LIFE!!!" defense isn't even remotely congruent with the known facts of the case. There's this one, there's the shooting of Justine Damond up here in Minneapolis... slowly but surely people who automatically and without question "back the blue!" no matter the circumstances, will be able to see that, sure, there are a lot of good cops, but there are also some real dumb-@$$ criminal cops who shoot people for no good reason. And they will see that it's okay to make the distinction, and that punishing the second category does not entail some weird unpatriotic lack of respect for the first category. Slowly, as I say, but surely we have to move in this direction.

Come onnn wrote:

This title is sensationalizing. Come on. The fact this person was shot has nothing to do with anything related to LGBT. You put that in just to get people in an uproar over a hot-topic issue. The fact a student was shot should be enough for a discussion.

Be better than this Letsrun.

This ** is ** Let's Run; it's not better nor do its cretin 'moderators' wish it so.

Another ill-trained trigger happy pig-- the LAST thing one needs on college campus where highly stressed students are not uncommon.

Here's hoping Atlanta's hardcore attorney class devastates Georgia Tech and the state for this senseless killing.

Life isn't black and white like that. There are situations like this one where no one needed to die. I don't really understand why you don't understand that, ive seen you post this several times.

John Utah wrote:

Comply with police directives or get shot.

Keep advancing, with weapon in hand, towards a policeman who is pointing a gun at you - and get shot.

Obey the law.

It's so easy to NOT get shot by the police. Is there anything easier in this world? It's so easy that it appears that Darwinian evolution is taking place at GT.

Police should try to disarm a person with a knife? Hahaha police are not ninjas. If a cop tried to fight a guy or wannabe girl with a knife they would most likely get injured severely and have to retire. The majority of police don't train everyday like a high school athlete or college athlete would. Most training is 8 hours every two years or so.

I agree with both of you.

If you're going to point blame then it needs to be at the parents. This kid wanted to be killed and had a lot of self hate. This is a result from neglect and lack of love and attention from parents at the development years. He was likely raised in a daycare.

+1 this is a solid perspective

I get that this has turned into a hot button thread but someone is still dead. You do not have to be anti-police or anti-American to think that something differently could have happened here.

For those attacking the police, you have no idea and should STFU. Police are trained not to allow an attacker to close the gap with them. An armed attacker, who is clearly unstable and likely suicidal, is incredibly dangerous.

When police maintain their distance and shoot an armed attacker, it's life or death, for the attacker.

When police go hands-on with an armed attacker, it's now life or death, for BOTH the attacker and the police officer. Police officers are not hired and trained to go hands-on grappling with armed attackers. When such instances occur, it's considered to be a failure, no matter the outcome. It's far too easy at that point for attackers to gain control of the officer's weapon(s) and far too difficult to predict the outcome of the encounter. Society can never tolerate an overall situation in which outcomes of violent police encounters are unpredictable.

Most of you don't understand this, but a citizen who goes hands on with police, or threatens to, not only SHOULD be shot, they MUST be shot. Wake up, grow up. Police do a shiiit job for shiiit compensation. We cannot then ask them to also gamble with their very lives in hand-to-hand combat with armed combatants as part of the job.