Bekele also soloed a 13:08 with absolute no rest after running a 13:09 lol
Bekele also soloed a 13:08 with absolute no rest after running a 13:09 lol
That 1993 5000m is an amazing race. WOW.
so sad wrote:
Star wrote:That video wouldn't play.
Anyone going to mention Bekele's basically wire to wire 12:57 in the 2008 Olympics?
Not even close to "wire-to-wire."
Your posting level is very poor today.
No, not wire to wire but a total of 9 laps including the last 2,000m (at a ridiculously fast pace) of an Olympic final...so still impressive
calculo wrote:
Far Gone wrote:It was only 90 degrees on the track. How could anyone consider that as "very hot"? Thanks you for your clarification!it is
empirically, ideal weather for following runs
100m : 90 - 100
200 : 85 - 90
400 : 80 - 85
800 : 75 - 80
1500 : 70 - 75
5000 / 10000 / M : 65 - 70
Here is a little analysis I did 10 years ago on the average temperatures on the nth best performances for distance events. The dots are the actual data. The lines are the averages from n1+
Notice all of theose red dots in the high 70s/low 80s. Those are 5000m perormance.
Chelimo ran 13:08 in what, 78° AT NIGHT? Those are decent conditions for 5000m, backed up by historical data. Kipchoge ran 12:51 in 90° at Doha a few years ago.
http://i64.tinypic.com/23k540i.jpgCmon dudez wrote:
There have been guys who have led for 10 plus laps and didn't win but still ran sub-13.
You've got a soft spot for front runners because you're a moran.
This guy has it right. You sound like a Beta male that swoons for a man that can take the lead. With the exception of Rudisha, no one wins running from the front at the gun, east Africans do it all the time...until they get waxed by the likes of Mo F or Kenny B back in the day.
Obviously not as fast, but didn't Kim Smith solo a 14.39 indoors winning by 3 minutes?
malmo wrote:
Kipchoge ran 12:51 in 90° at Doha a few years ago
malmo, I know you are quite fond of that run
It doesn't necessarily mean 90F was best for him that day & 'Choge was still very good track runner in '10 but becoming erratic
( Canova mentioned a race in '06 in Rome which may have been greatest trio of 5k runners to ever line up in a 5k race in Bekele/Cherono/'Choge, where Canova reckoned the top 3 were all in 12'40 shape or better but Bekele got terrified he had company at 3k & slowed it to a jog awaiting final lap kick & won by a neck from Cherono who mistimed his kick, in 12'51
'Choge was down in 5th or 6th but he wasn't much of a kicker back then & certainly never a 53+ kicker like Bekele
https://trackandfieldnews.com/discussion/archive/index.php/t-113684.htmlAt his best, 'Choge in fast race gun-tape was likely close to 12'40, so even in '10, a 12'51 seems somewhat off ( he also had a 12'46pb which again slowed from near 12'40 pace IIRC at 3k when Sihine started limpeting 'Choge making no attempt to help with pace which really p!ssed off 'Choge ) )
A better guide to "ideal" or "near ideal" 5k weather may be the Paris race in '12 where 6 guys ran 12'46/12'47/12'48/12'49
Someone can look up the temperature for that meet
Tariku did front run the first 5000 or so ( actuay I think 5200) and then Kenenisa was left alone from then on. Kenenisa split 13:09/13:08.
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agdsfadsf wrote:Didn't Tariku pace the first 5K of one of Kenenisa's 10K WRs? He ran a 13:07 or 13:09 or something. Not sure if that counts since he didn't win and there were guys right behind him, but still pretty badass to run that for the first half of a 10K. Not to mention Kenenisa running the second 5K at almost the same pace on his own...
Not "soloing."
Pacing or leading a pack is not "solo."
calculo wrote:
Canova mentioned a race in '06 in Rome which may have been greatest trio of 5k runners to ever line up in a 5k race in Bekele/Cherono/'Choge, where Canova reckoned the top 3 were all in 12'40 shape or better but Bekele got terrified he had company at 3k & slowed it to a jog awaiting final lap kick & won by a neck from Cherono who mistimed his kick, in 12'51
Canova doesn't mention 'Choge here ( that was another post) but that rome 5k description of Cherono's form is illuminating :
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=394124&page=6FRIDAY, 14/07 : ROME (Golden League), 5000m : 2nd in 12:51.98
Splits : 29.4 (200) / 1:30.3 (600 - 60.9) / 2:31.3 (1000 - 61.0) / 3:33.7 (1400 - 62.4) / 4:34.8 (1800 - 61.1) / 5:05.3 (2000) / 5:35.1 ( 2200 - 60.3) / 6:36.6 (2600 - 61.5) / 7:36.8 (3000 - 60.2) / 8:43.2 (3400 - 66.4) / 9:52.0 (3800 - 68.8) / 10:24.8 (4000) / 10:56.4 (4200 - 64.4) / 11:58.6 (4600 - 62.2). Last lap in 53.38.
Last lap of Bekele and Shaheen, every 100m :
Bekele : 12.6 + 13.8 (26.4) + 13.7 (40.1) + 13.0 (53.1)
Shaheen : 14.0 + 13.2 (27.2) + 13.4 (40.6) + 12.78 (53.38)
Shaheen made a big tactical mistake, remaining inside the group at the beginning of the last lap, prisoner in the first lane. Bekele increased suddenly his speed from behind, going in 3rd lane with already 4 meters of gap on the finish line, with one lap to go. All the difference was in the first turn of last lap. My personal impression is that Shaheen was stronger, but wasted his chances using 150m before being free to follow Bekele and Songok. Last 300m in 40.5 for Bekele, in 39.38 for Shaheen
I hope that no one will mind me mentioning Rudy Chapa, who as a 21-year-old Oregon sophomore, ran 13:19.22 by himself on a windy day in April at Hayward in the Washington dual meet. Second place was more than 30 seconds behind. Chapa's time was less than 11 seconds off Rono's fairly fresh (one year old) WR. That's like a collegian today running 12:48.2, and the only collegian ever within 21 seconds of even that fictional time is . . . Henry Rono.
The following month, Chapa ran an AR 7:37.70, only 5.6 seconds off the WR.
1978 & 1979 were exciting times.
