I’ve been very open in saying I will vote for whoever the Dem nomination is.
What I won’t do is get triggered every time someone criticizes them. I also will not buy merchandise or apparel with their name or logos on it.
I’ll also be critical of them when they break campaign promises.
Ciro wrote:
Obviously I want Trump to lose, but I expect him to win so there will be no surprise for me if he wins re-election. I also won’t be miserable as I’m not emotionally or personally invested in any of the candidates in the way you are. I will not spend endless hours, days and weeks trying to annoy people who question my candidate.
You won’t see me defend any of them or pivot my belief system just because a politician does. I’ll leave that to you.
If you expect trump to win reelection- none of libs here will call you stupid, dumb or an idiot, but when I say that, they all attack me relentlessly.
They save their anger for me, too funny.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Ciro wrote:
Obviously I want Trump to lose, but I expect him to win so there will be no surprise for me if he wins re-election. I also won’t be miserable as I’m not emotionally or personally invested in any of the candidates in the way you are. I will not spend endless hours, days and weeks trying to annoy people who question my candidate.
You won’t see me defend any of them or pivot my belief system just because a politician does. I’ll leave that to you.
If you expect trump to win reelection- none of libs here will call you stupid, dumb or an idiot, but when I say that, they all attack me relentlessly.
They save their anger for me, too funny.
Maybe it’s your delivery?
Ciro wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
If you expect trump to win reelection- none of libs here will call you stupid, dumb or an idiot, but when I say that, they all attack me relentlessly.
They save their anger for me, too funny.
Maybe it’s your delivery?
Every conservative gets attacked here. You know that. Come on.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Ciro wrote:
Maybe it’s your delivery?
Every conservative gets attacked here. You know that. Come on.
I’d say everyone gets attacked here conservative and liberal. Your side don’t have a monopoly on it.
Ciro wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Every conservative gets attacked here. You know that. Come on.
I’d say everyone gets attacked here conservative and liberal. Your side don’t have a monopoly on it.
Sally & myself are really the only two conservatives willing to debate here. If neither of us posts, it's a one sided monologue that goes on for several pages until one of us responds. If Sally & I were to stop posting entirely, except for perhaps Silly Willy/Epic Flagpole who only post a couple times per month, this thread becomes a 24x7 Trump hating members only club with minor differences of opinion. How boring is that?
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Sally & myself are really the only two conservatives willing to debate here.
Debate is not something either you or your girl know anything about. Having
Ciro, glad to hear your solidarity. It’s mostly theoretical with me here in Arkansas, we are so red that to flip us would mean a landslide. But I see true devastation for the less fortunate with trump and with current “law of the jungle” capitalism.
Real strength, from top to bottom economically, would make this country again a beacon for the world. We could do so much better.
Conundrum wrote:
agip wrote:
what I want is the democrats to take some responsibility and become a governing party, as in the days of Bill Clinton and Obama. People who picked a few winnable battles and compromised to get the win but not lose their soul.
I have very little tolerance for bernie or bust people - who don't believe the Dem party should ever reach out to the middle. whp think you just try to revolutionalize a large portion of the US economy and don't settle.
Many Dems are idealists. But they lose site of the real danger of 4 more years of Trump.
I know a number of smart successful Republicans who are embarrassed by Trump. They won't vote trump but will if Bernie or Elizabeth are running.
I think there are almost zero voters like that. People who have voted Republican all their life will not cross over no matter who the Democratic nominee is.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Ciro wrote:
Obviously I want Trump to lose, but I expect him to win so there will be no surprise for me if he wins re-election. I also won’t be miserable as I’m not emotionally or personally invested in any of the candidates in the way you are. I will not spend endless hours, days and weeks trying to annoy people who question my candidate.
You won’t see me defend any of them or pivot my belief system just because a politician does. I’ll leave that to you.
If you expect trump to win reelection- none of libs here will call you stupid, dumb or an idiot, but when I say that, they all attack me relentlessly.
They save their anger for me, too funny.
No, people attack you because you are a raging a$$hole who loves nothing more sticking it to the libs. I don’t consider calling you trumpanzee an attack though, you should actually be proud of that.
For better or worse this may be a CHANGE election for the Dems.
...or Biden may just pull a Clinton.
In '92 Clinton didn't place higher than 2nd in a caucus or primary until the 12th such contest.
It's been a big field and about 75% of the caucus/primary votes have gone to someone OTHER than the winner. Something to think about.
When someone starts posting 40% or higher then we can get excited. I think Biden has a shot of that number in SC.
...or we will all head off to the land of "give me stuff" with Sanders. Lay people like "free" college.
Alan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN-aXzpQUdwCiro wrote:
No idea who or what the Francis reference is.
I can’t believe trump’s bad luck, everyone around him is a criminal
Yeah, Trump 2020: Give Hime Time to Pardon His Friends
Runningart2004 wrote:
For better or worse this may be a CHANGE election for the Dems.
...or Biden may just pull a Clinton.
In '92 Clinton didn't place higher than 2nd in a caucus or primary until the 12th such contest.
It's been a big field and about 75% of the caucus/primary votes have gone to someone OTHER than the winner. Something to think about.
When someone starts posting 40% or higher then we can get excited. I think Biden has a shot of that number in SC.
...or we will all head off to the land of "give me stuff" with Sanders. Lay people like "free" college.
Alan
Too much focus on the “free stuff” and not nearly enough on the fighting corruption and special interest groups. We all know he’s not going to get accessible college passed. Notice I didn’t call it free because we all pay one way or another. As far as healthcare I really wish someone could rally enough politicians to put an end to the big pharma’s stronghold and actually pass a government run program. I don’t think it needs to completely uproot private insurance but there has to finally be an end to the highway robbery from all the middlemen.
Back to your point, yes we need to see how this plays out. Mixed and split results don’t mean people are not motivated to end trump’s run. More important than who wins these early contests is to see a strong turnout in general.
Runningart2004 wrote:
For better or worse this may be a CHANGE election for the Dems.
...or Biden may just pull a Clinton.
In '92 Clinton didn't place higher than 2nd in a caucus or primary until the 12th such contest.
Alan
This is false. Clinton won Georgia, which was on March 3rd and was the fifth contest (tied with some other states that voted on that date).
Clinton never finished worse than 3rd in any contest. Biden has never finished higher than fourth in any primary or caucus.
I will never understand why people will try to support their narrative by making things up instead of accurately stating the historical record.
agip wrote:
what I want is the democrats to take some responsibility and become a governing party, as in the days of Bill Clinton and Obama. People who picked a few winnable battles and compromised to get the win but not lose their soul.
I have very little tolerance for bernie or bust people - who don't believe the Dem party should ever reach out to the middle. whp think you just try to revolutionalize a large portion of the US economy and don't settle.
I think any Bernie or bust voter who will not support another candidate in the general if Bernie isn't on the ballot is bad.
For the same reason, I have issues hacking away at Bernie now and making him weaker in the general if he does get the nomination.
I have very little tolerance for the I'm out if it's Bernie crowd.
Republicans don't reach to the middle for crap, by the way.
I don't think Bernie is going to be the nominee.
And I am a bit concerned that if he loses a close battle, his supporters may get deflated again and not come out in 100% numbers to vote out Trump.
L L wrote:
I think any Bernie or bust voter who will not support another candidate in the general if Bernie isn't on the ballot is bad.
For the same reason, I have issues hacking away at Bernie now and making him weaker in the general if he does get the nomination.
I have very little tolerance for the I'm out if it's Bernie crowd.
Republicans don't reach to the middle for crap, by the way.
I don't think Bernie is going to be the nominee.
And I am a bit concerned that if he loses a close battle, his supporters may get deflated again and not come out in 100% numbers to vote out Trump.
This entire "Bernie or Bust" thing is a false narrative. About 12% of Bernie supporters in the 2016 election voted for somebody other than H. Clinton.
About 12% of Republican primary voters ended up voting for H. Clinton in 2016, which pretty much cancelled out the Bernie or Bust factor.
There are reasons that both parties have routine losses like this. Just speaking for myself, I voted for Bernie in the primary in 2016 but not for H. Clinton in the general. I am not a democrat. I have voted for Republican candidates and Democratic candidates and Third party candidates. I choose to vote in the democratic primary because the Republican nomination was already wrapped up before my state voted. We don't have party registration and you can choose which nominating contest to vote in when you walk into the polling station. In open states there are a lot of people with weak party identification voting in the primaries.
H. Clinton lost because she was not very popular and made a lot of strategic errors in deploying resources which led to low turnout in some key swing states. That is on H. Clinton, not the Bernie Bros.
tps://
www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/08/24/did-enough-bernie-sanders-supporters-vote-for-trump-to-cost-clinton-the-election/single wing wrote:
This entire "Bernie or Bust" thing is a false narrative. About 12% of Bernie supporters in the 2016 election voted for somebody other than H. Clinton.
About 12% of Republican primary voters ended up voting for H. Clinton in 2016, which pretty much cancelled out the Bernie or Bust factor.
Assuming those stats are true, it doesn't show much integrity for someone that would support Bernie be the same people that would enable Trump.
The margin in the decisive states was razor thin. Jill Stein voters pulling the lever for Hillary instead would have given Hillary the win.
The 12% cancelling each other out doesn't matter.
It means a group of Republicans had some integrity and an equal amount of Bernie supporters had a grudge.
I know I am viewing this through one lens, but Trump is an abomination.
He is immoral and fiscal mess.
Runningart2004 wrote:
For better or worse this may be a CHANGE election for the Dems.
...or Biden may just pull a Clinton.
In '92 Clinton didn't place higher than 2nd in a caucus or primary until the 12th such contest.
It's been a big field and about 75% of the caucus/primary votes have gone to someone OTHER than the winner. Something to think about.
When someone starts posting 40% or higher then we can get excited. I think Biden has a shot of that number in SC.
...or we will all head off to the land of "give me stuff" with Sanders. Lay people like "free" college.
Alan
Quid Pro Joe is done.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/12/joe-biden-campaign-collapse.html