Is ther anything coaches can do, when a top tier recruit gets a big scholarship but doesnt produce???

Watcher of the gram wrote:

HeyYou wrote:

Scholarships can and do get reduced or cut all the time.

You know nothing because they can't and don't.

Yes they can- athletic money can be taken away/reduced/increased at any time.

I know people who have had all of those done to them and who have benfited from it.

Just Google it....

As of 2014, the Big 10 conference offers 4 year deals.. The scholarships Cannot be taken away.

I have a friend whose daughter is a freshman scholarship runner at a Big 10 school. She has told me in no uncertain terms that her daughter's scholarship renewal is predicated on performance. She can lose the scholarship.

The coaches can try not sucking.

A guy I coached got a full ride, all expenses paid undergrad guaranteed. Kid had talent. Because the coach sucked he was injured almost all 5 years, so I'd place the blame entirely on the program. I tried to talk him into going to Colorado where he'd have had a decent shot at making a pro contract, but Colorado couldn't match the offer.

At least he got a free education.

Hmmm...

Again the internet is a valuable resource, Look It up!!

My daughter has a four year guaranteed contract. Even includes a guarantee they pay even if she has to leave for hardship and returns years later... she gets her scholarship for the length of her enrollment.

Track Geek wrote:

Just Google it....

As of 2014, the Big 10 conference offers 4 year deals.. The scholarships Cannot be taken away.

I was a big 10 guy. I still have a few younger friends and acquaintances running at a few different schools in the conference. As I understand it, that rule seems to be a paper tiger. I am quite certain that there are XC runners in the B1G this very year who have been told by their coaches that they need to perform at a certain level in order to save their scholarships.

they call me flopro wrote:

I read that about Tennessee and I was like Damn that's cold honestly I didn't even know Tennessee had a track and field program but Tennessee is in the $EC so i'm not surprised one bit by this. It's sad really :(

You didn't know Tennessee had a track program? Justin Gatlin? Aries Merritt? DeeDee Trotter? Tianna Bartlett? Phoebe Wright?

*Tianna Bartoletta*

Most colleges will not reduce/cut a 'ship unless a runner shows up with a nondisclosed inj. That can get the death penalty.

If a runner is lazy they normally can be made to see that 'this isn't the program for them,'

Coaches should be most concerned with body type and motivation. If an athlete has that going for them, the coach --if he/she is worth anything-- should be able to get enough out of the runner, that it doesn't turn into a sunken cost 'ship.

Watcher of the gram wrote:

HeyYou wrote:

Scholarships can and do get reduced or cut all the time.

You know nothing because they can't and don't.

They can and do. Other than that, your argument is holding up pretty well.

At my school (D2), it can only get withdrawn (i guess reduced as well), if we quit showing up to practice, or quit. I'm sure if a coach wants, he could find a way to reduce a scholarship, but if its just because of injuries, i think its sometimes tough for coaches to cut scholarships.

Sasquatch wrote:

HeyYou wrote:

Scholarships can and do get reduced or cut all the time.

Almost all academic scholarships have performance criteria to maintain them, so you could do the same with athletic scholarships.

Extremely idiotic reasoning.

They can but a lot of coaches won't. My team had more than one girl that was on 80%+ for four years and never ran at nationals. We also had walk-owns that competed at nationals and never saw a cent.

bitbitter wrote:

We also had walk-owns that competed at nationals and never saw a cent.

That's pretty common, because they are already in the school and transferring is a pain, so most of the time coaches can get away with offering them little to nothing, even though they may have outperformed most of the scholarship kids on the team. Especially if they are within a year or two of graduating.

Misuse of a comma in the name of this thread. Get it together. We're building winners here.

I know that at a major D1 program some of the top level athletes who were major contributors were sometimes reduced to allow the next class of kids to come in and help those older athletes continue to win championships. This would come in the form of a "request" to kids with families who could afford a slight change (50% to 30% or 30% to 20% type deal) in scholarship.

In this program even walk ons who were producing weren't usually made scholarship athletes because the thinking was that if they could come be a part of the program without money then they could continue to do so.

EVERYTHING was about the program and not the individual. Worked pretty well but took the right kid of kid.

In the Pac 12, athletic scholarships are guaranteed for all 4 years.

My daughter's agreement with her university states that she can't be reduced for any reason other than failure to show up for practice (or egregiously bad behavior). So even if she wasn't running up to expectations or gets hurt - she keeps the full amount in the agreement.

See here:

http://pac-12.com/article/2014/10/27/pac-12-universities-adopt-sweeping-reforms-student-athletes-guaranteeing

Pac12 Dad

Man, you better REALLY hope that kid is into running.

i can see someone showing up and going through the motions and getting free scholarship dollar$.

I believe 95% or more of Athletic Scholarships are renewed at or at a higher rate than they were first agreed upon (all sports). Our HC has reduced 2 maybe 3 scholarships the last 8 years I have been with him. His intention is to offer the same scholarship amount or possibly a little more each year for every athlete. Occasionally, you run into the rare athlete who believes as soon as they sign a scholarship it is guaranteed for four years regardless of how much effort they put in. Real example: The athlete does not run in the off season (summer) shows up completely out of shape in August, when hurt, sits out of workouts, sits out of meets and is told to go to the trainer each day until they can run but only goes maybe once a week for treatment. I am a D2 Asst. Coach, the scholarship we offer clearly indicates it is for 1 year. Our university offers a lot more academic scholarships and they are for 1 year and the student must perform and meet a certain GPA to keep their academic scholarship. My guess is, that maybe 50% of the students awarded an academic scholarship their first year keep their academic scholarship all 4 years.

The most common question asked to us by parents is: "Is this scholarship guaranteed for fours years"

Our reply: "No, the scholarship is for one year. It is hard to lose or have a scholarship reduced. We do this because we know you are budgeting for four years. If your son/daughter comes to practice, works hard, stays in good standing with the university in terms of academics and campus life (drugs and fighting) they have nothing to worry about"