Son's Coach is not good

Rip Lips wrote:

So... wrote:

There's a reason that we have schools that have 10 kids under 16...

I was an assistant on one of the best teams in the country and we had 4 guys under 16. Do you really think there is a team that has 10 kids under 16? Seriously?

CBA '13 had 13 runners break 16, Southlake Carroll '11 had 8 runners break 15:40( arguably better than 10 sub-16), Carmel '12 had 9 runners break 16, and I'm sure there's a bunch of other teams I left out. Sure, it's extremely uncommon, but it can be done.

parent wrote: I would prefer to not do anything other than help my son get better.

It seems like you are ignoring the obvious fact that it is not up to you how good your son is/isn't. If he alone is driven to do better, then, you can help him outside the school's program very easily. Somehow you ignore that fact as well.

"helping" by taking over the coach's job isn't helping. You seem to ignore that too.

I can sympathize with you now that I have kids involved in sports. But as a coach and PE teacher I want to see coaches get better and other kids, not just my own. Others gave you good advice, stay out of the way. My kids are decent because I work with them properly- I let them take the lead and show them the way when they ask. Your son is still young enough to become better if he wants. When he asks you, explain to him about training and ramp it up a bit. Hopefully as he gets better he'll explain how he did it. Maybe the coach will seek your advice.

I try to stay out of the way but when asked I advise. My kids play all sports and there are times I have to leave the gym when my kids are at practice because its hard to keep my mouth shut. Just don't undermine the coach.

pop_pop!_v2.21 wrote:

It seems like you are ignoring the obvious fact that it is not up to you how good your son is/isn't.

What the heck is the matter with you.

Helping his son is more important to his parents than to anyone else.

If he alone is driven to do better, then, you can help him outside the school's program very easily. Somehow you ignore that fact as well.

Somehow you ignore that everyone already knows this and you're stupid.

"helping" by taking over the coach's job isn't helping. You seem to ignore that too.

He doesn't want the coach's job and nowhere did he say that he did.

colder and wiser wrote:

No. You should not meet the team 3-4 times a week. YOUR SON should meet HIS TEAM 3-4 times a week and go on a long run on the weekends. Give advice and support to your son, and then let him do his job.

He said in June, in the summer, during off season, when the team is not meeting.

The advice on her has been atrocious -- nearly as bad as your kids coaching.

I mean the COACHING IS AWFUl.

1) Weights for the 1st time the week of conference? No.

2) A workout two days before conference? No.

Poeple have told you to coach your son behind the coach's back. Not good. Sure your son could run more but the real issue is how do you talk to the coach about doing smarter things withoug pissing him or her off.

I think you should maybe send an email. Say , "Hey I've been a runner for 20 years. I don't want to come across as a pushy parent but I think I have some tips that could realliy help the team. Let me know if I can take you out for coffee."

Then just stick to the basics. 1) No weights for the 1st time all year late in the season 2) No hard workouts 2 days before a key race.

Then see how receptive they are to you sending them workouts. Or buy him a book or something.

No one talks about the key thing - communication.

You don't want to a) coach your kid privately and b) don't want to piss the coach off so just be honest. If he says no, then that's ok.

If your kid wants to improve, tell him every good male runner in the world runs more than 50 mpw.

rojo wrote:

I think you should maybe send an email. Say , "Hey I've been a runner for 20 years. I don't want to come across as a pushy parent but I think I have some tips that could realliy help the team. Let me know if I can take you out for coffee."

:::popcorn:::

Did you ever get emails from parents about how to coach?

rojo wrote:

The advice on her has been atrocious -- nearly as bad as your kids coaching.

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I agree for the most part, but no thank you for lumping us all in here together.

Some gave excellent advice. Yesterday they ran 3 miles and my son added on another 2 miles afterwards on his own. I have been careful not to disparage the coach (except for the dodgeball day because I was so suprised when he told me what they did that day)

I plan to have a conversation with the coach about next season and the future going forward. I don't think I will give him a book and I don't plan to offer any advice about training, just want to establish communication now. He does not coach the track team and from speaking to a female athlete's Mom last year the track coach quit, a parent took over and did not even show up every day. So I definitely will offer my help in the spring if there is no coaching set up (boys and girls teams train together in track and cross country)

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I agree for the most part, but no thank you for lumping us all in here together.[/quote]

Sorry wejo/Rojo but I'm going to disagree with you. Ed Jacoby mentioned years ago at a clinic that his daughter's HS throws coach was not very good. His daughter would come tell him what she did at practice but Jacoby a hall of fame jump coach didn't let his daughter know that her coach was wrong. He was happy that she was excited and motivated.

No coach needs a know it all parent on the sideline. If asked volunteer your knowledge otherwise support your child in such a way that the coach doesn't feel undermined. The athlete should also have faith and trust in the coach.

So Coach, did Ed Jacoby's daughters Coach show up to the conference meet? My son's coach did not.Did her coach not measure any of her throws during practice? My son's coach does not time any of their runs or workoutsDid her coach allow kids to show up to meets when they felt like it? 4 kids missed the conference meet, one had baseball practice, one had band, who knows about the other two.But yeah, you are correct, I will just mind my own business and allow my kid to have a shitty coach. Not throwing very far is not the same as trying to run 5K when you play dodgeball instead of running.

Coach wrote:

Sorry wejo/Rojo but I'm going to disagree with you. Ed Jacoby mentioned years ago at a clinic that his daughter's HS throws coach was not very good. His daughter would come tell him what she did at practice but Jacoby a hall of fame jump coach didn't let his daughter know that her coach was wrong. He was happy that she was excited and motivated.

No coach needs a know it all parent on the sideline. If asked volunteer your knowledge otherwise support your child in such a way that the coach doesn't feel undermined. The athlete should also have faith and trust in the coach.

Coach wrote:

Sorry wejo/Rojo but I'm going to disagree with you.

Of course you're going to disagree.

Any coach who is no good is going to disagree with good coaching.

Hey Parent,

As the parent of your child you are the ultimate decision maker of what is in his best interest. You seem to know the ropes.

I have been a student of running for the past 5 years. I find comfort there are other untrained parents though the years who have had good results with their kids by doing the same thing as I do.

We have not had any injuries and the kids jump off their seats when it is time for practice. We do run with a team now and in the company of other kid who run for the joy of running and who want to win, every time. That is the joy of being a kid. It is immature but it is genuine joy.

You have no obligation to follow a losing strategy.

Take your kid out. Train him for the rest of the year then come back and show that he is 2 minutes faster than the 2nd best runner. Individual results matter to you and your kid more than the the team results.

Often times the kids who win a major race come there by themselves. I may be wrong but I think there was an Exeter kid who won in Kansas this year - no team.

Racing is individual.

Stop being a sheep!

The real question is if you ran 14:35 for 5k and a doctor... How can your kid not break 20 min? Marry a fatty? Perhaps that's more the issue here.

What a stupid post wrote:

Helping his son is more important to his parents than to anyone else.

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Did anyone bother to ask the son what he wanted? I didn't think so.

What a stupid post wrote:He doesn't want the coach's job and nowhere did he say that he did.

OP wants to tell the kids how to workout. But don't call OP a coach. Because it's not coaching. It makes perfect sense....

Wife was all american D3 in 1500. How fast he runs is irrelevant to conversation but he has had some medical issues the last 2-3 years that are now resolved. He ran a 6:20 mile as a 10 year old.

I honestly don't care if he becomes a world beater, I just want him to have a chance to get better.

He enjoys running and wants to be faster.