Is it possible that Lamine Diack covered up positive tests for Hicham el Guerrouj?

Thedirty wrote:

I'd bet my life that dirty Moroccan was a cheater. Seriously. Those Northern African nations (Turkey/Algeria/Morocco) are notorious cheaters, very similar to the Russians IMO

Hahaha Turkey in North Africa? Lolol you sure about that bud?

Thedirty wrote:

I'd bet my life that dirty Moroccan was a cheater. Seriously. Those Northern African nations (Turkey/Algeria/Morocco) are notorious cheaters, very similar to the Russians IMO

I can't believe I'm the first to point this out, but turkey is NOT in Africa.

Hicham is a pretty handsome guy huh

Another photo of guilty faceshttps://www.google.ca/search?q=lamine+diack+hicham+el+guerrouj&prmd=nvi&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiv8_jxl7fJAhVKXh4KHQLPAF8Q_AUICSgD#imgrc=xM_sjN8O6FseFM%3A

Imadoper wrote:

Is it possible that Lamine Diack could have covered up Hicham el Guerroujs' failed drug tests when he was head. This in fact if Hicham did dope.

Have a look at the photo in the link below. Look in to their eyes and tell me if you see guilt

http://cache3.asset-cache.net/gc/53231532-hicham-el-guerrouj-of-morocco-receives-the-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=OCUJ5gVf7YdJQI2Xhkc2QPKo9shUfHixuLyoXLjL1Td2Sp5yxNG%2b6EBAdkHKyx0Zo1NMZptC1bUShXURkYSxTg%3d%3d

Dwightty wrote:

I think most people assume Hicham doped but most likely cannot be proven any longer.

Who from that time period was clean? They sliced like 20s from the 5k and 40s from the 10k in like 10 years. And it wasn't just one or two outliers. There were a dozen guys+ who were destroying those records.

Stuff you like to pee out wrote:

Thedirty wrote:

I'd bet my life that dirty Moroccan was a cheater. Seriously. Those Northern African nations (Turkey/Algeria/Morocco) are notorious cheaters, very similar to the Russians IMO

I can't believe I'm the first to point this out, but turkey is NOT in Africa.

I can't believe it either... it's unbelievable

It wasn't just the North Africans. Steve Holman has said he suspected the Spanish and French were cheating as well. Since those two countries pretty much disappeared from the distance scene when EPO testing began, he seems to have been right. And it's not just 1500 runners. With Gebrselassie and Komen taking down the 5k record by an inhuman 20 seconds within 4 years, they very likely were juicing as well.

Les wrote:

It wasn't just the North Africans. Steve Holman has said he suspected the Spanish and French were cheating as well. Since those two countries pretty much disappeared from the distance scene when EPO testing began, he seems to have been right. And it's not just 1500 runners. With Gebrselassie and Komen taking down the 5k record by an inhuman 20 seconds within 4 years, they very likely were juicing as well.

Yep! Everyone other than the Americans becuase they are so clean (never mind the doping bans they are just aberrations).

JAKIR wrote:

Les wrote:

It wasn't just the North Africans. Steve Holman has said he suspected the Spanish and French were cheating as well. Since those two countries pretty much disappeared from the distance scene when EPO testing began, he seems to have been right. And it's not just 1500 runners. With Gebrselassie and Komen taking down the 5k record by an inhuman 20 seconds within 4 years, they very likely were juicing as well.

Yep! Everyone other than the Americans becuase they are so clean (never mind the doping bans they are just aberrations).

Since we're discussing the '90s, not sure what doping bans you're referring to at least among distance runners. Americans were pretty bad at distance running in the '90s so if they were doping it sure didn't help. I do suspect Kennedy though. He trained in Komen's group.

I guess there was Slaney come to think of it, but she was a pushing-40 non-entity by then desperately trying to prolong her career, no medal threat at all.

JAKIR wrote:

Les wrote:

It wasn't just the North Africans. Steve Holman has said he suspected the Spanish and French were cheating as well. Since those two countries pretty much disappeared from the distance scene when EPO testing began, he seems to have been right. And it's not just 1500 runners. With Gebrselassie and Komen taking down the 5k record by an inhuman 20 seconds within 4 years, they very likely were juicing as well.

Yep! Everyone other than the Americans becuase they are so clean (never mind the doping bans they are just aberrations).

The people who say "El Guerrouj was definitely dirty" are probably not the same people who say "Solinsky was definitely clean". At this point no one is above suspicion. (I say Solinsky just because he seems more likely than others to be clean. That may just be my own blind spot talking.)

How the other half lives wrote:

To some, they have no moral quandaries and will smile and laugh even though they are 'doing what everyone else is' its how they justify it in their own eyes.

The problem with poor people from poor nations is they seem to think that everything rich nation's have was stolen and corruption was the only way things got done and people got rich. This is how they justify their behavior.

Unfortunately this is what the IAAF has to deal with, poor athletes and poor federations justifying their bad behavior because to them its what everyone else does.

I'm sorry but are you saying that the rich nations did not completely destroy the poor african nations during the African Colonial period? Really? Do you honestly think you can win this argument. They stole directly FROM the poor nations.

El Guerrouj. Ngeny. Lagat. Morceli. Cacho. Niyongabo. Komen.

They don't call it the EPO era for nothing... why would you see "guilt" in El Guerrouj's eyes when he knew all of his competition was on the stuff too?

Les wrote:

It wasn't just the North Africans. Steve Holman has said he suspected the Spanish and French were cheating as well. Since those two countries pretty much disappeared from the distance scene when EPO testing began, he seems to have been right. And it's not just 1500 runners. With Gebrselassie and Komen taking down the 5k record by an inhuman 20 seconds within 4 years, they very likely were juicing as well.

So, explain Paris 2012 5000m. A bunch of guys who aren't even championship winners blasted the pre-Geb and Komen era 5000m wr too.

This is why I said most Letsrun forumers are brain dead , exhibit A

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Wtfunny wrote:

Les wrote:

It wasn't just the North Africans. Steve Holman has said he suspected the Spanish and French were cheating as well. Since those two countries pretty much disappeared from the distance scene when EPO testing began, he seems to have been right. And it's not just 1500 runners. With Gebrselassie and Komen taking down the 5k record by an inhuman 20 seconds within 4 years, they very likely were juicing as well.

So, explain Paris 2012 5000m. A bunch of guys who aren't even championship winners blasted the pre-Geb and Komen era 5000m wr too.

I think in the 17 years since Moses Kiptanui set the record running improved in general. 2012 was an Olympic year and Paris was a race set up for fast times to impress their Olympic selection committees. I think (then and now) there are at least a half-dozen guys capable of sub-12:50, including Farah. As Canova says, just because an athlete hasn't run a particular time doesn't mean he's not capable of it. In Diamond League, athletes don't get paid for time, they get paid for places so there is no motivation whatsever to run fast times.

Les wrote:

I think in the 17 years since Moses Kiptanui set the record running improved in general. 2012 was an Olympic year and Paris was a race set up for fast times to impress their Olympic selection committees. I think (then and now) there are at least a half-dozen guys capable of sub-12:50, including Farah. As Canova says, just because an athlete hasn't run a particular time doesn't mean he's not capable of it. In Diamond League, athletes don't get paid for time, they get paid for places so there is no motivation whatsever to run fast times.

Half a dozen already went 12:50, and that did NOT include Farah.

If we accept that 5-10 guys are capable of sub 12:50 pr's it doesn't seem, to me, highly improbable that a few, and only a few, have gone sub 12:40.

3 guys ran the kinda times you're suggesting some kind of systemic doping, yet only 3 athletes in history have run times so fast that you think it smells of doping.

Maybe some (of those very top tier athletes) were, or not. But the "evidence" is weak, IMO.

id say anythings possible.El garrouj was a huge name,and if he got caught a lot of people would have been dissapointed.

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