Runner on pace to win Marathon but DNF's b/c hobby joggers drank all the effing gatorade!

From an immigration standpoint, how is a guy like this living in the U.S. legally? I googled him and he came here for college at Youngstown State on an athletic scholarship, but what happens after graduation? He hasn't married an American, and he doesn't seem to have family in the U.S. So I guess he was able to get a work-related visa? But all I ever read about is U.S. companies (esp tech ones) complaining how few visas they are able to get. And, with no disrespect intended, it's not like this guy is some hot MIT engineer who would have companies going to the mat for him. What gives? (I'm genuinely curious...) Anybody know or can speak generally about how your average foreign athlete/student stays in the U.S. legally following graduation?

> But all I ever read about is U.S. companies (esp tech ones) complaining how few visas they are able to get

The largest holders of H1B visas, by far, are 3 Indian companies (Infosys, Tata, Wipro) that come to the US to outsource IT work and put qualified Americans out of work. 3 others of the top 10 are also Indian IT outsourcing companies.

http://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2015-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.aspx

They are required by law to certify that they couldn't find Americans to do the work. I just don't understand why we allow this fraud to continue.

GMoneyDog wrote:

3) He should have known about what the course organizers had to offer in terms of refreshments during the race, before signing up.

He did.

They didn't.

What is so confusing about this?

I ran the Adirondack marathon this year and my wife ran the half my goal was to catch her before the finish I missed her by 4 minutes. Not everybody is elite.

Another article about Tisia from June:http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/2015/06/10/kip-tisia-rules-rochester-roads/71035542/It says: "Tisia said he plans to finish his final year of school locally, as he was studying to become a physical education teacher, an occupation he said would allow him to help children back in his hometown 'keep moving.'"Not sure if he is currently enrolled or not

Immigration question wrote:

From an immigration standpoint, how is a guy like this living in the U.S. legally? I googled him and he came here for college at Youngstown State on an athletic scholarship, but what happens after graduation? He hasn't married an American, and he doesn't seem to have family in the U.S. So I guess he was able to get a work-related visa? But all I ever read about is U.S. companies (esp tech ones) complaining how few visas they are able to get. And, with no disrespect intended, it's not like this guy is some hot MIT engineer who would have companies going to the mat for him. What gives? (I'm genuinely curious...) Anybody know or can speak generally about how your average foreign athlete/student stays in the U.S. legally following graduation?

Isn't it pretty much a scientifically accepted fact now that cramping is not due to electrolyte loss?

Sounds like poor pacing to me. A DNF is a DNF.

TISIA GOT ROBBED!! wrote:

Tisia's excuses are absolute B/S. Blaming the race organizers is such a sad cop out. He fueled and paced improperly. End of story.

I've run this race previously in the top 10, and there is plenty of support on course, that is not impacted by the half marathoners (who only impact the later part anyways). Furthermore there are elite tables offered. The notion that they ran out of nutrition and sports drink is ludicrous!

I am friends with the person who shot a video of the bonk (which reached over half a million views before they removed it at the request of Tisia), and were in the lead car the whole race.

Observation was that Tisia did not fuel at all in the first half of the race, went out way too fast. Sad when people can't own up to their own mistakes.

Bludo wrote:...Sounds like poor pacing to me. A DNF is a DNF.

I'd also find it hard to chalk this one up to a lack of Gatorade. Perhaps that played a small role, but look at what this guy has run in the past and the pace he was running this weekend...

--2:15:59 at Buffalo this year (May 24)

--2:27 at Grandma's this year (June 20)

--2:33 on September 20 in Rochester (5 weeks ago)

--2:17 last year

--2:19 and 2:21 in 2013

The article says he was 1:06 at the half. For somebody who is a 2:16 marathoner, a 1:06 half marathon is not too far off what you'd expect for a half marathon pr (1:05 range). Not sure his HM pr, but I do see a 1:04:58 result which backs that up. If he truly went through 13.1 in 1:06 that's super aggressive. The article quotes him saying that he didn't set out too fast. Maybe he feels that way, but based on his other results I'd say anything faster than 1:07:30 at the half was too fast. And as anyone who has gone out too hard the first half knows, you bury yourself the first 15 miles it will get ugly the last 5.

He's clearly an up and coming marathoner. 26 years old, ran decent marathons when he debuted in 2013, has run faster in 2014 and again in 2015. He's just not a 2:12 guy yet. Even if he consumed electrolytes perfectly in this race, by going out at the pace he did he put himself in a position where this kind of result was highly likely.

By the way, what I wrote doesn't excuse the race if their aid stations ran out. If you're directing a race and you say you going to provide X (whatever you say you're going to provide) I think you have the responsibility to provide that for all racers. I have read a few other race reports for this one and it seems like slower marathoners didn't encounter a "no electrolyte drink" situation, so not sure why he did.

And sorry, I shouldn't have said "Gatorade" in my first post. It appears that Ultima was the electrolyte drink for this race. and it was supposed to be set up about every 3k. Plus they were supposed to have Honey Stinger gels plus fruit at mile 21.

real real TO wrote:

contradictions abound wrote:

Something doesn't match here. If there were adequate supplies, why did in that article does it say they ran out? Something is not right here. Please explain. Did they run out and then refill them?

Race organizer is lying. The aid stations were obliterated by the half marathon participants. What a stupid layout for a race, running the half marathon simultaneously on the back half of the marathon course. Did they even have a separate lane for the marathoners to get through the joggers? I've actually never seen that in decades of running.

This is how the world famous Via Marathon is set up. races go off at the same time, half starts halfway into the marathon course.

--2:15:59 at Buffalo this year (May 24)

--2:27 at Grandma's this year (June 20)

--2:33 on September 20 in Rochester (5 weeks ago)

--2:17 last year

--2:19 and 2:21 in 2013

He ran a lot of marathons prior to his Victoria attempt. That may well have been a factor.

It's Called the EPO caught up with him, HAHA! Dude run's a 15:11 in a local Niagara falls on Saturday, then runs 1:10 on Sunday in the Niagara falls half marathon. Nothing shows he was able or could EVEN come close to running 2:12 unless he was on Something...prove me Wrong ????

Dude's a Clown!

"He's clearly an up and coming marathoner. 26 years old, ran decent marathons when he debuted in 2013, has run faster in 2014 and again in 2015. He's just not a 2:12 guy yet."

Maybe he'll be a 2:12 guy with the wind at his back on a downhill course, but he is certainly not "up and coming." He is old enough and has enough marathons under his belt with enough mediocre results to show exactly what he is - glorified hobby jogger.

The guy ran fast enough to earn some prize money. You cannot expect someone who races as frequently as he does to go all out every race. He clearly uses the majority of these races as training runs. He's self sponsored, so why not head down to niagara falls for the weekend and tempo a couple races to earn some prize money.

get a clue bro wrote:

The guy ran fast enough to earn some prize money. You cannot expect someone who races as frequently as he does to go all out every race. He clearly uses the majority of these races as training runs. He's self sponsored, so why not head down to niagara falls for the weekend and tempo a couple races to earn some prize money.

Yeah, that makes sense. Instead of running one marathon fast enough to get a sponsor, run a a bunch of slow times as "training runs".

Down and going wrote:

"He's clearly an up and coming marathoner. 26 years old,

Most likely he is more like 28 to 30 years old. The guy does not know his actual birthday. There was a 2 year period that he ran as the same age I believe.

Not sure how accurate Athllinks is but according to it (and assuming he's the only Kiplangat Tisia) he raced as a 22 year old in 2010, a 20 year old and 24 year old in 2012 and 2013, and then sometime in 2013 or 2014 he decided to pick an age.