Simple: a clean Webb vs a clean El G

You forget the part where Webb is clearly clean. That's why he injured inconsistent, etc. this happens to CLEAN athletes.

reader of the forums wrote:

acad wrote:

This is in no way intended to delegitimize Ryun. If we were to think of the greatest miler we must include him. But, if it came down to the last 100 it would be Webb (for me) based on this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1BZvfkk7-5Y

I'd pick Jim based on this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUsEuv3Debs

+100.

acad wrote:

Mile.

In their primes.

No juice.

(Dovetail thought from other Webb thread).

I'd say Alan only because it's my guess that El G's kick had more to do with him able to float into that final 500/600m.

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Or maybe too--who tried harder? El G's WR or Webb's AR?

Fun to think about.

Obviously the clean El G crushes the doped Webb.

Seriously we have no clue what any of these athletes did or didn't do. I am willing to say that a 1964 Ryun was undoped (i.e. the amount of stuff out there was very low) but once you start hitting the 70s who the heck knows who was blood doping, using steriods, epo, and the rest. And lets not even try and guess how old those kenyans running 3:30 at 18 really are.

Maybe with a few tweaks in training Webb is the GOAT. Or maybe his training maxed him out. The couple of months when things clicked he hit a level he wouldn't have with different training. Or maybe it was all mental and with El Gs brain in Webbs body we would have seen a 3:40. Who the heck knows.

Dumb post.

Lololol wrote:

You forget the part where Webb is clearly clean. That's why he injured inconsistent, etc. this happens to CLEAN athletes.

Personally, I believe Webb is clean. However, his inconsistency really wasn't similar to that of say, Leo Manzano, whose performance varies so wildly race to race that you may as well try and predict his placing with an RNG.

Webb's pattern was that he had a series of spectacular results for a number of years (2005-2007 most notably), and then within 1-2 seasons, he was suddenly performing much worse than he did even in HS.

Lol you don't know sh*t.

A relevant thread I posted in 2012. Ryun vs. El Guerrouj remains the match race I'd want to see:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4852398

However, I think nine times out of ten, in your match race, it's El G. Webb was way too erratic... in terms of both strategy and composure.

Lololol wrote:

You forget the part where Webb is clearly clean. That's why he injured inconsistent, etc. this happens to CLEAN athletes.

What is your evidence?

Guerrouj beats Webb, Ryun and anyone else you care to throw around.

Kiprop would give him a run for his money but no American or European would even have a chance. Ryun was ahead of his time but everyone gives him far too much credit here. No matter how fast the mile WR gets in the future people on here will still say Ryun would be faster. It is lunacy.

I'd bet on Webb in a match against Ryun.

Lagat and el guerrouj both on EPO only would be an interesting matchup

No other drugs for guerrouj except EPO and then think maybe lagat shades it this time around

Ok mate wrote:

Guerrouj beats Webb, Ryun and anyone else you care to throw around.

Kiprop would give him a run for his money but no American or European would even have a chance. Ryun was ahead of his time but everyone gives him far too much credit here. No matter how fast the mile WR gets in the future people on here will still say Ryun would be faster. It is lunacy.

I'd bet on Webb in a match against Ryun.

You've outed yourself.

reader of the forums wrote:

Ok mate wrote:

Guerrouj beats Webb, Ryun and anyone else you care to throw around.

Kiprop would give him a run for his money but no American or European would even have a chance. Ryun was ahead of his time but everyone gives him far too much credit here. No matter how fast the mile WR gets in the future people on here will still say Ryun would be faster. It is lunacy.

I'd bet on Webb in a match against Ryun.

You've outed yourself.

So have you, ventolin.

reader of the forums wrote:

Ok mate wrote:

Guerrouj beats Webb, Ryun and anyone else you care to throw around.

Kiprop would give him a run for his money but no American or European would even have a chance. Ryun was ahead of his time but everyone gives him far too much credit here. No matter how fast the mile WR gets in the future people on here will still say Ryun would be faster. It is lunacy.

I'd bet on Webb in a match against Ryun.

You've outed yourself.

Outed myself, what? Who even are you?

What a ridiculous thread. Webb is the worst 3:46 miler of all time. 1 Diamond League victory, best finish of 8th at a major championship.

I can't believe people are earnestly comparing him to El G. Shaking my head in disbelief.

El G was much better, consistent year after year performances. He had naturally high blood count living in altitude and long efficient legs.

Whereas Webb must of had a lot of testosterone in his blood as that guy was balding in high school and looked quite bulky for a miler. He aged, his t-counts went down and his performances went downhill. El'G got older and his blood stayed thicker and his legs didn't change.

Link wrote:

Webb for the win - in about 4:05

+1

This actually happened in 2001 and Webb lost (got to go on letterman though).

Cashier wrote:Amphetamines. We already have evidence that the US team gave out amphetamines at the Lake Tahoe training camp Ryun trained at

eh ???

then tell us why Ryun bombed in 800 trials in '68 when he was WR holder ???

acad wrote:I'd say Alan only because it's my guess that El G's kick had more to do with him able to float into that final 500/600m

i suggest you do some research

in his 3'26wr his last 400 was 53.2 !!!

in that form in a 3'29+ "webb-type-race" he wouda finished a 3'29+ in at worst a 52+, probably dipping into 51s !!

you think webb was ever going to finish a 3'29+ with a 52+ let alone a 51+ ???