Jim Ryun and Hicham El Guerrouj

Does anybody think El Guerrouj, in his prime, could have run sub 3:51 on a cinder track without a pacer?

jrrerf wrote:

Does anybody think El Guerrouj, in his prime, could have run sub 3:51 on a cinder track without a pacer?

How much does a cinder track slow you down??? Is it really that bad?

i love the call of the jim ryun video

1 - myuuhl

2 - jim grelluh (i always pronounced it jim grell, but i may be wrong). (jim grelle)

I did 10x200m on a cinder track in San Antonio last week in 32-33. I did the same workout yesterday on a nice all weather track in Austin in 28-30. That's about as unscientific as it gets, but it has to be 1-2 secs on even a well groomed cinder track. Incidentally, check out ryun's spikes. They're like the sprinter spikes from current- no heel.

Jim would have won.

someone had to do it wrote:

Jim would have won.

lol good one.

Both were beasts and had two of the most perfect forms you can find. I think it would have been a hellava race. Personally, I always found cinder/dirt tracks a lot slower. No doubt Ryun could have gone well under 3:50 on a modern synthetic track at his peak. I certainly think he could have matched Webb's 3:46.

el gerrouj has no hope without a rabbit. plain and simple. even when his buddy rabbited him in th eolympic final, he couldn't beat ngeny. suck it, cheater!

Ryun ran 3:37 in Mexico City. If you use the old NCAA Altitude adjustment list (average USAF Academy and Alamosa Co) you get an adjustment of ~9 seconds. That puts Ryun's medal time at 3:28. Could El G and Lagat done that in 2004 (~3:34)? I don't think so. And if they ran the race they did in 2004 (last 800 in 1:46+), Ryun (who ran 1:44 WR for 880 yards on ciders) would have eaten them up.

gummy chicken wrote:

el gerrouj has no hope without a rabbit. plain and simple. even when his buddy rabbited him in th eolympic final, he couldn't beat ngeny. suck it, cheater!

It's common knowledge that El G was overtrained when Ngeny beat him. And besides, who has the better head to head record? You make it sound like Ngeny always defeated El G.

coach d wrote:

Ryun ran 3:37 in Mexico City. If you use the old NCAA Altitude adjustment list (average USAF Academy and Alamosa Co) you get an adjustment of ~9 seconds. That puts Ryun's medal time at 3:28. Could El G and Lagat done that in 2004 (~3:34)? I don't think so. And if they ran the race they did in 2004 (last 800 in 1:46+), Ryun (who ran 1:44 WR for 880 yards on ciders) would have eaten them up.

Interesting analysis. No doubt, Ryun was a much better 800 runner than either ElG or Lagat.

Distance Maniac wrote:

Interesting analysis. No doubt, Ryun was a much better 800 runner than either ElG or Lagat.

"No doubt" is kind of a bold statement when El G has supposedly run 1:42. Even if you somehow discredit thay, he CLOSED in 1:46 after rounds and after the first half of a race.

What are you basing "no doubt" so heavily on?

There is NO evidence that El Guerrouj ever ran anything like 1:42.

But Ryun's 880 yard time of 1:44.9 was converted to 1:44.3 and was a share of the 800m WR until Rick Wohlhuter broke it. El Guerrouj never ran 1:44.3 in a real race, either. His official PB is 1:47.18.

Name the last person to hold or share the 800m WR, the 1500m WR, and the mile WR AT THE SAME TIME.

Jim Ryun, the GOAT.

punctuates the greatness of Keino's Mexico win

coach d wrote:

Name the last person to hold or share the 800m WR, the 1500m WR, and the mile WR AT THE SAME TIME.

Seb Coe, in 1979-1980. For about an hour Coe simultaneously held the 800, 1000, 1500 and mile records.

coach d wrote:

Jim Ryun, the GOAT.

simple answer: YES!!

For the one who ask, it's pronounced Grel-la, 2 sylables.

Jim would have mopped the track with that big fat arab doper's face!

No habla ingles wrote:

Jim would have mopped the track with that big fat arab doper's face!

If they are together with 400 left, Ryun smokes his ass.

coach d wrote:

There is NO evidence that El Guerrouj ever ran anything like 1:42.

But Ryun's 880 yard time of 1:44.9 was converted to 1:44.3 and was a share of the 800m WR until Rick Wohlhuter broke it. El Guerrouj never ran 1:44.3 in a real race, either. His official PB is 1:47.18.

Name the last person to hold or share the 800m WR, the 1500m WR, and the mile WR AT THE SAME TIME.

Jim Ryun, the GOAT.

The point is not who held the most simultaneous records. The point is who is the fastest over 800m and whether there actually is "no doubt" that Ryun is the better 800m runner. How did you miss that?

And you really think El G's best 800m time is only 1:47? We do have evidence - his coach or himself said that he has run 1:42 or 1:43 in practice if I'm not mistaken. Even if you discredit that, surely you think he can run at least 1:44, no?