Kelly Holmes is the British athlete with highly suspicious blood values

Namer of names wrote:

New Zealand talk radio host has seen the list and says Holmes is the athlete with the highly suspicious blood values.

Your post is accurate, except for the part about it being Kelly Holmes.

Daily Telegraph from Dec

The list was said to have been compiled between 2006 and 2008, before the introduction into athletics of the biological passport, which monitors the longitudinal blood values of competitors.

Sunday Times

The athletes ''the athlete said their score had been elevated because it had been taken when they were winning a race in summer temperatures''

What race did Paula win in summer between 2006-8?

I am arguing that the two articles (Dec and Sun) are maybe not related, so therefore December;s articles does not automatically rule out anyone else who was retired before 2006., If we are considering this a 2 horse race.

Paul Kimmage talked about the athlete (female) going on Celeb reality tv shows in 2 weeks (the 2 weeks may not have been literal) and being lauded as a hero. Paula has been on any of these shows before, other high profile female athletes have?

Also is Paula really lauded as a hero, compared to others. To the general public she was not a hero as she was not an Olympic hero. Other British athletes have been heroes after having their heroic summer.

Also the calls for more money being spent, my understanding is the athlete said this to the journo last weekend rather than having a history of saying this publicly.

Bazza wrote:

Radcliffe's record in 2006-09 is nothing special

http://www.thepowerof10.info/athletes/profile.aspx?athleteid=1341

But the period of interest covers tests between 2001 and 2012 and quite a number of athletes competed well in that period.

The Sunday Times and German broadcaster ARD/WDR have obtained access to the results of 12,000 blood tests from 5,000 athletes between 2001 and 2012.

I'm confused! First it seems pretty certain that it is Holmes; now most posters on this site seem to be saying it's Radcliffe. I wouldn't imagine now that Holmes has the financial muscle to threaten one of Rupert Murdoch's papers - unless she saved a hell of a lot from her high earning period immediately after Athens.

Also puzzled by this; if their is such a simple explanation for the blood values why doesn't the media (including the BBC) name the athlete concerned. The athlete can then explain the reason behind the numbers and the story will disappear.

Several years ago, immediately prior to a World Cup (track) cycling event in Manchester a British cyclist was found to have a high Haemocrit reading (over 50). In those days cyclists were not allowed to compete with such numbers for health reasons so the cyclist was withdrawn from the event. The explanation offered was a spell of hard training at altitude. This was generally accepted by everyone - there was no real story to the incident. Can't Radcliffe or Holmes or whoever do a similar thing; come forward, explain the figures and let us all get on with enjoying the World champs?

The only way if explaining the figures away is if you are clean. A lot more difficult if they do indeed look dodgy.

mark b wrote:

and let us all get on with enjoying the World champs?

Speak for yourself but those days are long gone for me. I will not follow them. I do however like to see who gets busted - it is the most entertaining aspect of sport these days. Seppelt really is a hero, and I sincerely hope that he does not get bumped off by the Russian mafia.

The whistleblower requested anyone who hadn't failed a test can not be named.

Therefore the Sunday Times can't name her. They only named those who have failed tests.

The athlete did threaten legal action but that isn't the reason her name is not published.

namer of un names wrote:

It's not Holmes, it's an open secret online who it is.

This is beyond retarded. If it's an open secret it's not a secret, and you're on an anonymous message board, so just name the freakin name. This is letsrun fer cryin out loud. It's normal to make unsupported accusations.

I am just wondering how I would get this physique in the gym? What kind of lifting was Holmes doing?

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/olympics/2007-07/27/content_6003125.htm

AwwNaturale wrote:

I am just wondering how I would get this physique in the gym? What kind of lifting was Holmes doing?

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/olympics/2007-07/27/content_6003125.htm

Looking that cut is as much about getting rid of body fat as it is about building muscles.

Get with the program wrote:

AwwNaturale wrote:

I am just wondering how I would get this physique in the gym? What kind of lifting was Holmes doing?

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/olympics/2007-07/27/content_6003125.htm

Looking that cut is as much about getting rid of body fat as it is about building muscles.

And even more about genetics.

Freud drones at it again wrote:

I think the most telling sign that it's Radcliffe is the brojos silence. The person in question has reached out to all the major media outlets that cover running, and you better believe letsrun has been contacted.

If the brojos knew it wasn't Paula, the Radcliffe thread would have been deleted immediately, given how much they have staunchly defended her (wejo said he'd shut down the site if it turned out she doped). And you would find at least one post from the brojos clearing Radcliffe as the person in question.

The leaker has not contacted us. If it is Paula Radcliffe I think she should be named and she can explain herself. It is a factual thing what people's blood values are. This is why I think they should all be public.

I don't know if Paula Radcliffe was clean. I did say I'd shut down the site, but now that I'm a bit older I'm a bit wiser. Paula is the one who told me, "You only know about yourself (being clean)."

The article made it sound like a blood tranfusion of your own blood which I thought was interesting.

Of the hundreds of posts on the subject I thought "Freud drones at it again"'s post was the most succinct. Funny that it was this post wejo finally answered to.

But I hope it's not Paula.

After looking at the 2004 800 and 1500 finals, a couple observations:

1. I think in both races Holmes must have run the farthest extra distance as she was on the outside of the turns so often, and especially so in both final turns.

2. Her kick in the 1500 is pretty insane, most notably since she bested the Russian Tomashova (5 years younger), and Roumanian (7 years younger), and a whole bunch of other Eastern Europeans for that matter.

blessed with cut wrote:

Get with the program wrote:

Looking that cut is as much about getting rid of body fat as it is about building muscles.

And even more about genetics.

wow - she looks very very guilty

seriously.

I really hope its not Kelly Holmes.

My then 7 year old daughter was inspired to take up track and field after watching Kelly's double with all our family crowded around the TV. Although she could not join a club until she was 9 all she ever wanted to be was "be in the Olympics like Kelly". Kelly Holmes was her hero, probably still is.

Holmes did the business on the biggest stage there is and if she turns out dirty it will be incredibly damaging to the sport in the UK.

Paula may be considered to be a bigger name, nowadays, but in no way has she influenced any age group like Kelly did.

If a runner was dirty as heck, but is informed sufficiently to know about testing parameters, and their own testing, could make them confident to bluff right through this affair.

Landis taught us about balancing blood bags and EPO microdosing, didn't he? Someone taking good care at this could be very open about their values.

Not one test ever determines blood AMOUNT in the body, does it?

Furthermore, Radcliffe might have had insiders changing results, been able to submit someone else's vials, etc, etc. Many reason for a terrible doper to be very confident and seemingly open.

It's Ohuruogo or Holmes. Radliffe wasn't doing much during the period(s) listed in the various stories. Ohuruogo is as dirty as they come btw.

blessed with cut wrote:

Get with the program wrote:

Looking that cut is as much about getting rid of body fat as it is about building muscles.

And even more about genetics.

And even more about HGH.