koojo wrote:
I predict record high injury related threads next week.
Maybe if you are coming off of 20 mile weeks but most people on this board and on this thread run regularly more than that. It takes more than 7 days to develop an overuse injury, minimum 2-3 weeks.
one cortisone shot last year for sciatica in the right hip along with a double prescription of CELLACOXIB and CELEBRAXOR, took that problem away (one of those meds is now off the market owing to the VIOXX recall, but really made me feel VERY MELLOW if you get my drift. be careful driving.) the shot was administered in the right lower back just above the hip
the current issue is the left side but now involves sharp electric-shock type pains in the left butt (very deep) with the odd jolt traveling down the leg with additional constant dull ache in the left hip (shot administered in same spot of left lower back)
the current problem is NOT going away and I am prepared to do alternative stuff until it does, (or am facing the prospect that the end of the road is in site...hello biking) as well as get out of racing flats for daily training; this may or may not be sciatica after all
be advised I just passed my 20th anniversary of running and am now in the Senior Division, hope that helps
10 miles this morning...decided to take the afternoon off - felt like i should throw a single in there.
anyway that's 41 miles so far.
also, long before Lydiard died I was planning on having a ~5 week phase of 90-100 miles. i'm incorporating strides so my form doesnt go to shit. i have gotten to where weeks in the 70s is very tolerable and i can do workouts during them, so upping the milage this winter seems to be pretty logical. after this phase i'll be doing workouts with my team, and hopefully run well in track.
by the way i think there should be a thread like this every week.
12 miles this morning. Total for 4 days: 50 (halfway there); will try to get out for another run this evening
16 more miles today
...57 miles in 4 days
76 miles -- one more day to go
101 miles so far...about to head out for my final 10 of the week.
Run a double.
Well I took Felix's advice and cut this crazy week short. 100mi would have definitely destroyed my legs so I stopped at 94.5. Actually, I slept in Friday morning so that pretty much stopped my progress since Saturday was my 20-miler and I wasn't going to run 30+ Friday evening and Saturday morning. So not quite 100 but a reasonable week.
Runningart2004 wrote:
Which is fine because he stressed running for time rather than for distance. His aerobic base is 11 hours per week. For a "top" runner that could easily be 100 miles or more. For others it could be less.
I was at 12hrs 20minutes... maybe I'm too slow for the 100mi week?
Wow wrote:
Run a double.
I did. 11 miles that evening for 87. 8 this morning for 95. One more run this evening. Need 5 miles.
i did a 15-miler this morning, which gives me 100 for the week total. the last ~5 miles with cold wind in my face were not fun. did the 100 miles on 12 runs this week (5 doubles, 2 singles). my days were:
15-16-10-16-15-13-15
gonna try to get a lot next week, too. hopefully 100, as long as Jesus' birthday doesnt get in the way of my running.
5 more miles to run tonight. this was my schedule
Monday- 14
Tuesday- 5/9
Wednesday- 6/3
Thursday- 14
Friday- 6/10
Saturday- 9/7
Sunday- 12/5 (5 yet to be done)
Sorry to bust your bubble guys but a Lydiard 100 mile week is ONCE per day running, his athletes often clocked up 130 miles, but they did not include the morning jogs as a part of the milage.
In my case it was leaping from a rest week of 55 to 100 so I just tried to get the most out of my week and hopefully make it to 100. I understand that doubles are not the Lydiard way, but sometimes you just gotta go with what works at the moment.
LMH wrote:
In my case it was leaping from a rest week of 55 to 100 so I just tried to get the most out of my week and hopefully make it to 100. I understand that doubles are not the Lydiard way, but sometimes you just gotta go with what works at the moment.
Doubles ARE the Lydiard way. Anyone who tells you otherwise is misinformed. One thing I hope to see after the passing of Lydiard is that people will actually read some of his books and get educated on his system.
alot of Lydiard's thinking from what I've read is to make a workout system for people who had full-time jobs and couldn't just worry about running... one run per day is a big part of that.
LMH wrote:
... sometimes you just gotta go with what works at the moment.
Well said. The idea was to do the number of miles. How it was done was up to the individual.
I'm done. I did a second run this evening and got 100 miles. (M 10; Tu 8/11; We 9; Th 12; Fr 10/8; Sa 8/11; Su 8/5)
Thanks again to those of you who joined me. I think Arthur Lydiard would have been honored to know that there were a bunch of runners out there this winter doing something like this in his memory.
Coach Lydiard, rest in peace.
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"Some people say they don't have time to do 100 miles a week of running and spend a couple of hours every day stretching. I'd say do your 100 miles a week of training ..." - Arthur Lydiard
I just finished.
Monday- 14
Tuesday- 5/9
Wednesday- 6/3
Thursday- 14
Friday- 6/10
Saturday- 9/7
Sunday- 12/5
100!
Last week was 55 on 5 days of running. The jump was tough, but worth it! Weather is also particularly horrendous. I feel like this was one of those things that "build character."
Runningart2004 wrote:
I decided a few weeks ago to run on an exact (at least as exact as possible) Lydiard schedule this winter/spring. I think a fitting tribute would be for any of use who can to run on the Lydiard schedule this spring and report back the results. Sort of a validation project. The collegians and high schoolers on the board surely wouldn't be able to but I'm sure there are enough older runners on the board to make it a worthy project. Now, Lydiard always stressed the personalization of the program to the runner but there are a few things that all Lydiard programs should have:
10-12 weeks or as long as possible:
1. As many miles as you can (preferably 100) in singles at a solid aerobic effort (various aerobic efforts over various distances). Can add additional easy running in the morning up to 30 minutes.
2. Stress the importance of speed development year-round. So add in a day of 100m sprints or even a few races as time trials. The key though is the aerobic development.
4 weeks:
1. Hill training. He wanted you to bound up the hills like a pogo stick with a high knee lift and little forward movement so that a 200-300m hill took 3 minutes to "run". The hill circuit consisted of a 15 minute warmup, 200-300m uphill, 3 minute jog, 200-300m downhill, 50-400m windprints, then repeat the circuit until you are out there for an hour (2-3 circuits total).
2. A lot of runners who used the program just ran the hills instead of bounding. I say mix it up for variety. There are 3 hill sessions a week so why not do one session bounding, and two sessions running. Or you could even run a race as a time trial, if that fits your schedule, in place of one of the hill sessions (preferably a hilly race).
3. Again, one day for speed development and one Long Run.
4 weeks:
1. Interval training. He says "finish knowing that you could not do much more nor any better." Preferably 3 miles total, equal run to jog LENGTH (800m run, 800m jog...)
2. Again, a day for speed development and a Long Run.
4-6 weeks:
1. Coordinate training/Sharpening. Test for strength and weaknesses using time trials. Say you do a 5k time trial and you go out too fast and die at the end, then next time do a longer time trial. Or, if you do fine but couldn't really go any faster...no zip in your step...next time do a shorter time trial. 1-2 time trials a week, and a race pace session (4x400 or something similar) all depends on your racing goals. Longer races (halfmarathon/marathon) may require longer time trials and fewer intervals.
2. If putting in races during this time, or even during the interval phase the training should be light. As he says you can't train hard and race hard at the same time. So, race week training may include a short speed session (100m sprint every 200m for 4-5 laps, or 50m sprint every 100m for 4-5 laps) and a race pace session (4x400 or 2x800 or something similar).
3. The interval and sharpening phases will vary greatly depending on your race schedule. They should be individualized. For example, his Marathon Program includes very little intervals and a lot of time trials.
4. Race Week/Training Week. When training hard TRAIN HARD when racing do little training to sharpen the sword. So a training week may include two time trials and a short race pace session while a race week may include just a short race pace session and a short speed session.
I think a lot of the successful training programs out there today focus on the 3 month aerobic phase and the interval phase and maybe the hills but his time trials phase isn't used much.
So who's up for this project?
Alan
Alan,
How did it go? Did you do it?
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