Why did Morceli fade in the mid-late 90s?

he didn't wrote:

He didn't, he just retired early.

Right, kind of.

His circumstances changed, just like for anyone and everyone, and he wasn't at his peak anymore.

Similarly, when El G got married, he retired.

Morceli did have a pretty long career. Some of you expect things to go on forever.

FrenchDawg wrote:

Devil Dog wrote:

Wrong. The EPO test was first introduced in 2000 for the Sydney Olympics and it was later revealed that it wasn't even 50% effective until 2002. The slew of unbelievable times run by the likes of Guerrouj, Morcelli, Komen, and Geb are all 100% doped. That entire era could easily be forgotten.

Doping will never go away. Better to just enjoy the sport and get over the fact that people cheat. Complaining about it in every single thread is just an irritance to those of us who want to talk about great performances.

No you piece of $hi*, we celebrate even more the likely clean athletes and pi$$ on the certain dopers like Ramzi, the almost certain dopers like Aouita, and the very likely dopers such as Morceli and El G. We also strive to make the sport as clean as possible so we know what we are witnessing is real and so that young athletes who don't want to cheat or risk their health can still compete.

We might irritate you, but we're never going away. If the Brojos ban us then I hope all the top clean pros such as Nick Willis boycott the site.

TomCruise wrote:

well,. wrote:

What was his heart scared of?

Dental issues? That's s new one. Details?

I take a PED cocktail to look fit snd young, dont want to look like a meth head.

Yes, El G infamously had to start wearing braces around the time of the Sydney Games. Having to wear braces when you're nearly 30 is a classic sign of heavy HGH abuse.

Coevett wrote:

Blacko wrote:

And you infamously fail to admit you lie all the time.

Care to address how you lied about Mr. Azrah, you racist douche?

Thank you and Merry Christmas to everyone but you.

Signed:

A Kenyan athlete in the US (tested and all, douchebag, don't even go there).

Well, well, well. A Kenyan athlete in the US born around 74 or 75 is my doping apologist stalker. That narrows it down a bit. You don't care that Bett's coach doped to death a child athlete. You don't care that Rotich is the training partner of Bett. But you care that I 'lied' about Rotich's Rio coach being sent home in disgrace for passing off his urine as Rotich's sample??

C'mon Coevett....it's no wonder you're getting a bad reputation! You need to be honest with the facts and refrain from displaying so much prejudice against the Kenyans.

Anzrah used Rotich's credentials to get in the Olympic village cafe and score on one of those high-caliber breakfasts. It's was stupid and completely poor judgement on Anzrah - it cost him being expelled from the Olympics. When they caught Anzrah and escorted him to anti-doping for the random drug test that was scheduled for Rotich, they realized he wasn't Rotich. I mean...c'mon: A *61* year worn-down old guy isn't going to look anything like 27 yr old Rotich, whose photo would be on the credentials that Anzrah was carrying. Lol. Please...anti-doping isn't that stupid.

Following the detention of Anzrah they quickly located Rotich and tested him. So, if Rotich was supposedly glowing and Anzrah try to pose as him to give a sample - a lot of good that would have done. Lol.

Bottom line: Rotich passed his drug control and so it's evident that Anzrah used Rotich's credentials to get the free breakfast and not pull a fast one on drug testers. The updated report on the investigation from the above link clearly states: "no preliminary evidence to suggest to any attempt to compromise the drug test...."

Is there a more cynical group of fans out there than track and field’s? I don’t know why you guys even watch the sport when you assume everyone who was ever great at the sport was doping.

Maybe they were, maybe they weren’t. But I just can’t imagine thinking that all of the best athletes the sport has ever seen were dopers.

We need to arrange for a Radcliffe patented lie detector test for morcelli to settle the matter

Who will stump up the 1 million dollars?

bro who 'gets it' wrote:

In terms of their peak performances...

El G = DOPED TO THE GILLS

Morceli = DOPED TO THE GILLS

Komen = DOPED TO THE GILLS

Bekele = DOPED TO THE GILLS

Anybody who argues to the contrary is totally clueless

Well...you know fella, there are "self-proclaimed doping experts" who right here on this forum have claimed that those four are clean. In fact, wasn't there a doping survey done sometime back where something like 40% of letsrun posters believe El G is clean? ?

GoldenMiles wrote:

Is there a more cynical group of fans out there than track and field’s? I don’t know why you guys even watch the sport when you assume everyone who was ever great at the sport was doping.

Maybe they were, maybe they weren’t. But I just can’t imagine thinking that all of the best athletes the sport has ever seen were dopers.

It's funny that the average NFL fan could care less about doping in that sport as long as their team is winning/doing good. This past offseason there was a rash of OOC PED positives in the league; big-time & primetime names such as Ingram, Edelman, Liuget, Davis, etc. No one was calling them a doper or cheater...no one! People want to be entertained by the NFL - no one gives a hoot about PED use. It's part of the game. What's wrong with the T&F fan?

Most of them are soy boys with severe low testosterone and high estrogen levels.

Man oh man, doping apologists out in force on this thread.

MMA is the most brutal sport there is, yet a big majority of fans are openly saying that John Jones is the biggest piece of cheating $hit in the world right now.

Running has very little acquired skill compared to other sports. It's a pure display of natural talent and that's its whole appeal. Further, despite what a lot of doping apologists want to claim, it's not a case of 'everyone doing it'. Its a case of rampant, out of control doping in North and East Africa and that's why those areas rose to prominence at the exact moment an endurance drug became widely available, and why their performances started to decline at the exact moments testing standards improved (with the possible exceptions of road running where testing is much less frequent).

I didn't enjoy as a child watching some pure natural talent genius such as Steve Ovett suddenly get overshadowed by a Moroccan who had been running 1:50/3:40/14:00 at 20-22 when at the elite French sporting academy, then moved to Italy and almost overnight became 1:43/3:29/12:58. I don't enjoy 30 years later, doping apologists and Turkish welfare claimants in Germany continuing to diminish Ovett because his times didn't match those of Aouita.

Honestly, they should change this forum's subtitle from 'where the pros go' to 'where the dopers go'. The problem is, to the mods and the Brojos, what I've posted above about African cheating and Aouita vs Ovett will be the most offensive thing in this thread, not the 'everybody cheats, let them get on with it you soy boys' attitudes.

Coevett wrote:

MMA is the most brutal sport there is, yet a big majority of fans are openly saying that John Jones is the biggest piece of cheating $hit in the world right now.

Ever heard of future Hall of Famer Julian Edelman? You can't mention Brady without his right-hand man Edelman. How about Mark Ingram? Brees' top RB. Both hit with 4-game PED suspensions earlier in the year. Nobody is making a big deal about it in NFL fan land. Both the Pats & Saints are winning, with the Saints looking unstoppable at 13-2. Btw, the NFL is the entertainment capital of the World! PEDs have been a part of the game since the beginning. You probably watch some of the games yourself. ?

^This x 1000

No, not that.

Coevett is lying again.

How many times has he been told that he is lying about Aouita's times?

He doesn't care about facts.

He is a pathological liar.

rumor is wrote:

some PEDs, such as HGH and test are very good

oh, he was tested by H. el G.H. all right, who was more than just "very good."

Aouita's times were definitely in that range prior to moving to italy. I was living in Twickenham at the time, and I remember him seemingly coming out of nowhere. Funny thing is, the thought of it being secondary to drug abuse didn't even really enter our mind in those days. Pity how far the pendulum has swung.

Coevett wrote:

Running has very little acquired skill compared to other sports. It's a pure display of natural talent and that's its whole appeal. Further, despite what a lot of doping apologists want to claim, it's not a case of 'everyone doing it'. Its a case of rampant, out of control doping in North and East Africa and that's why those areas rose to prominence at the exact moment an endurance drug became widely available, and why their performances started to decline at the exact moments testing standards improved (with the possible exceptions of road running where testing is much less frequent).

It's not a case of "everyone doing it" but a case of a lot of other nations doing it other than your hated Africans. You're not being honest when looking at the data out there - which there is a lot to review.

I'd start with Russia...you hardly ever rag on them? Why? If there was ever a nation where doping is more than likely the normal preparation of an endurance athlete it would be, IMO, Russia.

According to "The Sunday Times" report on the leaked hematological data; 30% of their blood samples are abnormal. Their neighbors to the West, Ukraine, is reported at 28%. Your hated Kenyans are only at 12%. Who's got more of a doping problem based on abnormal blood data?

And Russia leads the World in ABP hematological anomaly sanctions with 35+! Ukraine, Morocco & Turkey are also high on the list. And there's at least one sanction from other countries such as Spain, Portugal, Italy, Switzerland, China, Romania, Belarus, Saudi Arabia, Qatar.

And Russia is still playing games with WADA over inspection of their anti-doping facilities (and they're supposed to be reinstated next year? Lol.):

The egregious doping situation in Russia and the blatant disregard for following the rules should anger you as much as the situation in Africa.

FrenchDawg wrote:

Devil Dog wrote:

Wrong. The EPO test was first introduced in 2000 for the Sydney Olympics and it was later revealed that it wasn't even 50% effective until 2002. The slew of unbelievable times run by the likes of Guerrouj, Morcelli, Komen, and Geb are all 100% doped. That entire era could easily be forgotten.

Doping will never go away. Better to just enjoy the sport and get over the fact that people cheat. Complaining about it in every single thread is just an irritance to those of us who want to talk about great performances.

So just stop responding to it, biotch.

GoldenMiles wrote:

Is there a more cynical group of fans out there than track and field’s? I don’t know why you guys even watch the sport when you assume everyone who was ever great at the sport was doping.

Maybe they were, maybe they weren’t. But I just can’t imagine thinking that all of the best athletes the sport has ever seen were dopers.

Welp, every other pro sport's fans, for starters. In those sports, fans don't even care about the heavy cost to the athletes of the various abuses have on the athletes' quality of life after retirement. Whether it's drugs' horrific health side-effects or CTE. These breathless, mindless fans just want to see the athletes take the hits, suck it up, keep pushing, and most importantly WIN! To help these fans compensate for, you know, their own irrelevance, insecurity, or whatever other shortcomings. That's the ultimate cynicism. Caring about the health of the sport and its athletes, wanting to see prodigious athletes not have to feel pushed into PED use to continue competing at the top of the sport isn't.