Let me tell you about the time I was on testosterone...

Don't forget that having 12 beers and banging a woman many times will raise your test AND get you off (with the USATF)

Before test, OP 5k was 15'32

1500 was 3'58

10k was 31'58

1500

15:32 -> test -> 3'34

5k

3'34 + 31'48 -> test -> 13'18

10k

13'18 + 3'34 -> test -> 28:05

(1 second better than wejo)

from this, we demonstrate that rupp

3'33 -> test -> 3:24.5

Everyone is so righteous on here but.......in my prime 35 yrs ago, if I plateau'd at say a 13:25 5k and someone told me I could likely get close to 13 with PEDS, I think I would have dabbled........

I see how the place here changed since the doping allegations of Rupp.. people.. there is nothing new here about TEST .. the ratio of 4:1 that is very old stuff . were you all sleeping till now or what,?. jesus.. OK listen the top field is *doped* completely with something like TEST and HGH(IGF elevation) being the minimum that anybody takes and then there are the guys who dont have out of comp testing they take whatever they like

Not a gelding wrote:

Testosterone rich cereals.........uh, OK.

0/10

For example

My brother used Androgel for a low T level. He's not a runner but swims and bikes. He said his recovery and energy levels went through the roof. He still uses it but scaled back the frequency of application. There's no doubt that it is greatly beneficial for athletic (and other!) pursuits.

OP,

How was your sex life when you stopped taking Androgel?

Low T Sucks wrote:

OP,

How was your sex life when you stopped taking Androgel?

I still woke up with a morning glory but sex was non existent, my wife had the baby and then wouldn't give out, so it was over to Mrs Palmer and her five daughters.

What about when you first went on it, did it not feel like you were 19 again?

Hard to believe you were on it that long and had no shutdown in endogenous production. That is "not normal" as Lance would say.

You don't understand, it was my wife who had the shut down.

I find it difficult to comprehend why so many people here are so not familiar with T.. the question as if OP did feel like he was 19.. absolutely yes. there is not many miracle drugs(fixes) but Test is one of those really impressive libido/life boosters around ..

I mean if you would gave it to any over 40 people or anybody with "low t" that is pretty much a life changing drug.. then you have to remember you are not fixing anything you are slowly ruining the vitality of your testes and HPTA getting lazier (it was bad to start with now it will just get worse) .. not many people manage to discontinue the usage tho , one reason would be getting a wife pregnant

Yeah, well, I lost my hair RAPIDLY after 30 days of androgel use. I was /am pissed.

Typical runner or sockpuppet wrote:

coach d wrote:

You can boost your testosterone by doing:

(1) Multiple flat-out sprints of 5-8 seconds duration (50 meter sprints for distance people)

(2) Heavy weight lifting (you need over 80% 1RM to recruit all muscle fibers)

(3) Heavy squats boosts testosterone better that just upper body.

BUT you need 2-3 minutes rest for weight lifting to boost testosterone (another reason to NOT listen to crossfit).

Those boosts are transient. Just like winning a game of Go Fish will raise your test, and losing a game of Go Fish will lower it. They will have basically zero effect on your average level throughout the day. The only meainingful way to boost your testosterone is to take testosterone.

This^. Trying to get this concept through people's thick skulls is a daunting task.

AAS also increase rbc, some more than others... EQ

Stuff and more stuff wrote:

My brother used Androgel for a low T level. He's not a runner but swims and bikes. He said his recovery and energy levels went through the roof. He still uses it but scaled back the frequency of application. There's no doubt that it is greatly beneficial for athletic (and other!) pursuits.

So if you use androgel before getting in the pool, does everyone else in the pool get faster too? Is this behind the pool running craze?

Not a gelding wrote:

Testosterone rich cereals.........uh, OK.

0/10

Umm...ever heard of Kellog's Special T?

digapony wrote:

Everyone is so righteous on here but.......in my prime 35 yrs ago, if I plateau'd at say a 13:25 5k and someone told me I could likely get close to 13 with PEDS, I think I would have dabbled........

Yes. I dont think many people on here are being honest with themselves, or they are soooo far removed from actually having to make that choice that it's easy to pop off about how they would never even consider it.

IF you thought you could run professionally for the next 5-8 yrs OR you need to bag it and become a fun runner just hitting some local road races, getting a real job, etc.. I can't say that taking the PEDs wouldn't be very tempting.

hello wrote:

I find it difficult to comprehend why so many people here are so not familiar with T.. the question as if OP did feel like he was 19.. absolutely yes. there is not many miracle drugs(fixes) but Test is one of those really impressive libido/life boosters around ..

I mean if you would gave it to any over 40 people or anybody with "low t" that is pretty much a life changing drug.. then you have to remember you are not fixing anything you are slowly ruining the vitality of your testes and HPTA getting lazier (it was bad to start with now it will just get worse) .. not many people manage to discontinue the usage tho , one reason would be getting a wife pregnant

I get what you're saying about the HPTA (hyothalamus-pituitary-thyroid axis, for those of you who don't know) getting "lazier" with exogenous T, but there are other ways to boost T that I'm surprised more doctors don't seem to consider. For example, it's an off-label use, but the female fertility drug, Clomiphene, stimulates the HPTA axis in men, causing the men to produce more of their own endogenous T. In some cases it can even restore normal HPTA function/T levels after stopping the treatment. And it's not harmful to family members of those taking it, either.

By the way, low T in male endurance athletes is often caused by low "energy availability", as it's referred to in the research literature. It's basically a chronic calorie deficit induced by a combination of endurance exercise and inadequate calorie intake (either on purpose [as is the case with many women who are trying to stay "skinny"] or men who don't realize just how many calories they need. In women, low EA leads to menstrual disruption or amenorrhea, susceptibility to stress fractures, and eventually osteoporosis, i.e. the Female Athlete Triad, which is obviously a misnomer since low EA can lead to low T in men.

Unfortunately, once a person has had HPTA disruption, whether low T or Fem. Athl. Triad, simply eating more/enough won't resolve the problem, at least not permanently; it will almost always return if the person resumes training, regardless of calorie consumption.

webby wrote:

WebMD, often a decent source, describes natural ways to boost testosterone. None is related to specific foods. All are related to maintaining sensible health standards so that your natural testosterone production doesn't shut down.

http://www.webmd.com/men/features/can-you-boost-testosterone-naturally

I suspect that if you have a low-testosterone condition that doesn't result from one of these straightforward health issues that there is no natural way to boost your testosterone.

Doctors?

Clicked on the link and read the suggestions. Stumbled upon this:

5. Review Your Medications.

Some medicines can cause a drop in your testosterone level, Matsumoto says. These include:

Opioid drugs such as fentanyl, MS Contin, and OxyContin

Glucocorticoid drugs such as prednisone

Anabolic steroids used for building muscles and improving athletic performance

So if Rupp was taking prednisone for his asthma, then why wouldn't he be taking some testosterone supplement to maintain his t-levels?