Why aren't any former Alberto/NOP athletes defending him?

ryan foreman wrote:

For all the talk about this, nobody can present a serious claim that Rupp was illegally doping. The only serious allegation in this is the Gouchers claiming first hand eyewitness of Salazar manipulating TUE process. I would like to hear an explanation for that. But that's circumstantial. And somehow, I have a feeling evidence will come forth that the USADA knew what Salazar was doing it and was ok with it.

You need to be willing to let NOP go. Salazar, Rupp, Farah, maybe Centro. They are the most likely to go down.

If banned by the USADA-WADA. Salazar will retire. Rupp will quite running. Farah will retire two years earlier than expected. Centro will serve out his ban and come back to the sport.

I don't think anyone else at NOP will get a ban, or at least not a long-term ban. If they cooperate with an investigation the ban will be short, or none at all. Anyways, these other NOP athletes will move on with their lives, hopefully many will still run, and you can support them wherever they end up.

Lord Sebastian Coe, a friend of Alberto Salazar’s for over three decades, has called on coach to defend himself. “It’s for Alberto now to defend himself,” said Coe, who was speaking on behalf of the Vitality health programme at Sir Bradley Wiggins’ Hour Record attempt in London. “I’m sure he will. I’m not supporting him. I’m just saying I have no way of knowing the veracity of what’s been said, but I do know Alberto and he will mount a stout defense. Mo will have to make a judgment about that.

“He’s a good friend. He is a first-class coach. He is fastidious, he has got an eye for detail, margins matter to him.”

Coe's eloquent statement is great news for Mo and Al, et al.

However, Coe , is a pragmatic ruthless one, charming too, which makes for the perfect politician.

Very well thought out reply. smh

He's also bent as a nine bob note, As anyone who isn't blinded by their own obsequiousness can see.

Trimming man wrote:

That's because the award winning journalist, Mr. Epstein, hasn't appeared to have contacted any former, very recent or current NOP members outside of the ones that were fired or had an axe to grind (or the accused). Looks like Epstein had all the balance he needed and wanted.

You idiot, he DID contact Rupp, Salazar and Farah.

They ran and hid like cowards rather than giving their side.

Says a lot.

Only good post I've ever read by A Duck.

Supports the notion of Rupp and Farah as fallible, easily manipulated dopers.

masking agents wrote:

these other NOP athletes will move on with their lives, hopefully many will still run, and you can support them wherever they end up.

No.

I would never support someone with the lack of ethics needed to take part in that group. Nobody forced them to train under an immoral cheater. Zero character.

no I have standards wrote:

masking agents wrote:

these other NOP athletes will move on with their lives, hopefully many will still run, and you can support them wherever they end up.

No.

I would never support someone with the lack of ethics needed to take part in that group. Nobody forced them to train under an immoral cheater. Zero character.

But under the rules athletes are given second chances, just as in real-world society, and allowed to compete again. Those are the rules.

All of them are afraid they will be lumped in with Rupp if they speak, but the truth is most if not all of them took legal supplements and legal TUEs only. They did play by the spirit of the rules and they are probably surprised that their coach and training partner may have not done so. They probably don't know a whole lot more than Kara or Adam did (considering they were on the team) or Magness did (considering he was a coach) and they seemed to only know a little of what was going on. While the group was always experimenting with the latest and greatest medical advances (while trying to follow the rules), it is obvious that Alberto was willing to stretch the rules a bit further than many of them realized. I think to some degree they are worried they may have unintentionally doped as well without fully knowing. That fear makes them stay quiet in case Alberto decides to throw them under the bus.

Why is everyone saying its Rupp, Farah, and Centro?

Why not Ritz, Levins, Hasay, Rowbury, Moser???

It seems like a serious double standard to me.

Farah because he's good?

Centro because he's good and has a personality?

Remember people Ritz improved massively after switching to NOP. Why don't we suspect him just like we do Farah?

Because we (as a group) like Ritz and Levins we say they're good to go, but throw Centro and Farah under the bus without a shred of additional evidence.

My guess wrote:

I think to some degree they are worried they may have unintentionally doped as well without fully knowing. That fear makes them stay quiet in case Alberto decides to throw them under the bus.

Agree. I imagine some of them know they broke the rules, others are not sure, and others who were squeaky clean are just afraid Alberto will go nuclear on them for talking. Alberto has a huge amount of power to ruin his athletes' reputation or career, if he ultimately admits to breaking the rules, by implicating whoever he likes.

Bingo. We have a winner.B/c "WE"(jo/Wojo/etc) like Ritz, Levins, Hasay, etc. At least like them more than Rupp, Farah and Centro.

Let the mob continue....

Why would you want your name in the press when you're trying to have a professional running career?Can you imagine you now run for New Balance or Saucony and you are running your mouth of in the press about Nike and Salazar?Alarm bills would be ringing....

There are none wrote:

Some may be clean but know something, or have suspicions. They don't want to go down with him. They are all staying quiet for a reason.

i luv everybody wrote:

Bingo. We have a winner.B/c "WE"(jo/Wojo/etc) like Ritz, Levins, Hasay, etc. At least like them more than Rupp, Farah and Centro.

Let the mob continue....

Not true.

In fact, when I've been talking to people about these allegations for the last 3 + years, I've always said, "So what about Ritz, (Hasay, Rowbury), etc?"

"Do you think everyone was doped?" was a question I always asked people. The response I almost always got in return was, "No. There was an super insider 'A' team and then everyone else."

Regardless, it seems pretty clear to me if these allegations are true it's likely not widespread EPO team type doping you get with the TDF. If that was the case, then Magness and the Gouchers would have even more stuff to talk about.

It's a little prescription drug here that you shouldn' tbe taking or don't have a prescription for, a little andro gel the night before a race when you get your massage (maybe without even knowing), a random pill out of a book there (that you might assume is for allergy)

"HEy we're just getting you back up to normal."

It doesn't take much. The difference between being an also ran on the circuit like Ryan Hill is now as a pro or Rupp was for much of his college career isn't much. If you are always recoverd and always able to hammer your workouts, then bombs away.

I don't even drink coffee (caffeine) the day of a run (beforehand). I want no enhancing.

THAT SAID- I ***would take PED's*** if I thought it would push me towards good wealth. Not saying it's right.

Trimming man wrote:

... Looks like Epstein had all the balance he needed and wanted. ...

Oh, you were looking for a balance similar to that presented by 'fair and balanced' Fox News?

Who should we give weight to, you and your pro-Saladbar opinions or the new stuff from John Cook?

Your willingness to defend those in power with straw-man arguments and vitriol backed by your heroic amateur investigations betray you as the common addicted-to-conservative-talk-radio type...

Which makes me someone who is "sitting in his underwear in his parents' basement" because I need to "get a job and learn about the real world" rather than believing stories from an "award winning journalist" that you so thoroughly debunked. (note: he debunked nothing, but thinks he did, so I'm being sarcastic using the same lines that people like him always use when defending indefensible positions)

Just like all those climate change scientists deemed as having bias and an axe to grind against oil and coal; Fox News knew that those scientists and the journalists that covered them needed to be exposed as vengeful liars, rather than given awards and funding. According to you, as with the scientists, same with Epstein

I think we're on the same page.

It'd be really tough to come out against Alberto if you don't know whether or not you had cheated. Like Rojo said "a little andro gel the night before a race when you get your massage (maybe without even knowing)" . That fear would make anyone silent. How can any athlete on the NOP be confident that they didn't cheat in some way.

There are none wrote:

Some may be clean but know something, or have suspicions. They don't want to go down with him. They are all staying quiet for a reason.

Don't doubt for one second that the BBC and PP hasn't contacted every person connected with Rupp/AlSal/NOP they could get their hands on. I am sure they have statements from lots of athlete former athletes. The BBC and PP have taken a strong stance in one direction and all they are interested in are statements that support their assertions. These are both respected news media outlets, but they are not CNN, AP or UP type outlets, they are more like 20/20 or 60 Minutes in that they have a story to tell and everything is built around that story.

Current athletes are most likely under some sort of NDA and it is also a good damage control strategy to keep them quit. The minute you have multiple NOP athletes making their own statements, you end up with exponentially more internet content than you already have and obviously NOP would like for this story to die down.

Rojo,

Read Tyler Hamilton's book. He said within Lance's team different riders were given different performance enhancers. some were given none. Hamilton said he was glad to finally get the good stuff because he considered that making it to the top level within he team.