Why is Pre so famous? He never won gold.

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9 years ago 01/26/2015 11:52pm EST

re: malmo

malmo wrote:
reader of the forums wrote:
Again, I was referring to NCAA competition. That Liquori ran well enough after June is beyond the scope of NCAA competition. Pre won every NCAA final he contested save for his first one; 7 in total. Liquori also won several NCAA titles. Pre had a better record here. Liquori was also good.
Ryun was a shadow of his former self in 1969, but props to Liquori for finishing 2nd & 1st over the mile indoors & outdoors that year.
Do you have a reading disability or something. Liquori beat the world record holder Jim Ryun in NCAA competition. He won three consecutive NCAA miles, which is far more meaningful than Pre's NCAA wins. Liquori wasn't merely "also good", he had the better record in NCAA competition.

No George, I don't have a reading disability. If you think my position is mistaken, you need only give reasons why my argument is wrong. Ad hominem attacks do nothing to advance your position.

I'm well aware that Liquori beat Ryun. I pointed that out in my post.

There is no objective standard to measure who had a better NCAA career. You believe that Marty beating a weary Ryun, along with 2 more NCAA mile wins, is enough to put his NCAA career ahead of Pre's, who had 4 consecutive 5000 wins and 3 XC wins, and only lost 1 NCAA championship in which he competed.

I simply disagree. I'm well aware of the facts regarding who did what.

Feel free to have the last word. I won't be responding to you any further.

9 years ago 01/27/2015 2:09am EST

re: iguchi

No question, PRE was a great one. Liquori was great too...in his way, but he never inspired other young runners to the level that PRE took them, and still does. What young runner has ever said the Marty Liquori was their inspiration? Yet multitudes of aspiring and young runners still attribute their inspiration to PRE.

EOT

9 years ago 01/27/2015 7:03am EST

re: reader of the forums

reader of the forums wrote:
malmo wrote:
Do you have a reading disability or something. Liquori beat the world record holder Jim Ryun in NCAA competition. He won three consecutive NCAA miles, which is far more meaningful than Pre's NCAA wins. Liquori wasn't merely "also good", he had the better record in NCAA competition.
No George, I don't have a reading disability. If you think my position is mistaken, you need only give reasons why my argument is wrong. Ad hominem attacks do nothing to advance your position.
I'm well aware that Liquori beat Ryun. I pointed that out in my post.
There is no objective standard to measure who had a better NCAA career. You believe that Marty beating a weary Ryun, along with 2 more NCAA mile wins, is enough to put his NCAA career ahead of Pre's, who had 4 consecutive 5000 wins and 3 XC wins, and only lost 1 NCAA championship in which he competed.
I simply disagree. I'm well aware of the facts regarding who did what.
Feel free to have the last word. I won't be responding to you any further.

Real simple, I did state my opinion. I said that [1] Liquori's college career was superior to Pre's. You tried to claim that my position is that Liquori's excellence was based on what he did after NCAAs ("beyond the scope of NCAA competition" [2] . Again, I was talking about NCAA competition, hence my query about your reading disability. But if your position was about what he did ONLY in NCAA competition then why did mention "he finished 4th against all the big boys as a 21 year old."?[3]

It comes down to this. You contend that Pre's career was better on the basis of the volume of wins. My opinion is that Liquori's NCAA career was better because quality of wins in the marquee event of track and field, beating two of the most legendary runners of our sport, Jim Ryun and Dave Wottle. ("the biggest of all of the big boys").

9 years ago 01/27/2015 1:19pm EST

re: no one

correction - "would not have medaled in '76"

9 years ago 01/27/2015 2:57pm EST

re: Iguchi Has Better Argument

Iguchi Has Better Argument wrote:
No question, PRE was a great one. Liquori was great too...in his way, but he never inspired other young runners to the level that PRE took them, and still does. What young runner has ever said the Marty Liquori was their inspiration? Yet multitudes of aspiring and young runners still attribute their inspiration to PRE.
EOT

Those of us who read Marty Liquori's articles in The Runner would say that he was an inspiration.

9 years ago 01/27/2015 4:13pm EST

re: whiteboyorwhat?sayit

Everyone interested in elite running knows Yuki Kawauchi. Pretty much no one can name the even faster Japanese marathon runners. Go figure.

9 years ago 01/27/2015 9:43pm EST

re: the decision

I acknowledged that Liquori was a great one....he just did not reach Pre's level in inspiring young runners. No American distance runner has ever reached that level, so nothing against Marty.

9 years ago 01/29/2015 9:00pm EST

re: Iguchi Has Better Argument

Here's a reason why Pre is so famous:

From

http://www.si.com/vault/1975/06/30/616667/high-fast-and-very-upsetting

"Corny as it sounds, I thought about Pre with about 600 yards to go," Liquori said. "I think the crowd here is used to someone giving it everything and coming into the finish dead tired. If I used my usual strategy and waited until the last 150 to move—well, with the tradition here, I didn't want to do that."

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