Lukas Verzbicas should be mentioned with Fisher.

He did win two.

Think people generally acknowledge LV is in the top 5 to 10 guys ever in terms of high school distance running. He won footlocker twice. If people talk about him less now it's probably because he left the sport so soon after high school. No doubt that he's one of the best ever, and definitely the best in the last decade in my opinion.

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lukas did win 2 footlockers

Fisher is way better. LV deserted his team like a little whiny crybaby because he wasn't fast enough. Fisher will never do tgat.

Stick with eharmony wrote:

Fisher is way better. LV deserted his team like a little whiny crybaby because he wasn't fast enough. Fisher will never do tgat.

We're talking HS. Plus though, LV's returned from horrid adversity, which a cry baby would not have.

ttc wrote:

Stick with eharmony wrote:

Fisher is way better. LV deserted his team like a little whiny crybaby because he wasn't fast enough. Fisher will never do tgat.

We're talking HS. Plus though, LV's returned from horrid adversity, which a cry baby would not have.

Awwwww how cute. A LV fanboy. Look this fairy deserted the lame ducks and cried about it. Lol he's a chump. Honestly I don't give a fvck about his crash . So what? He's a loser always is and always will be.

You're right. A law should be passed that makes it a crime to not mention LV when discussing GF.

The crash and his comeback tells everything about him that you need to know. So the lad didn't like college track/xc that much, so he left it. It's not really fair to him to define his life by that singular decision (to leave Oregon).

Unfair Assertions wrote:

The crash and his comeback tells everything about him that you need to know. So the lad didn't like college track/xc that much, so he left it. It's not really fair to him to define his life by that singular decision (to leave Oregon).

Life is not fair. I decide how to define your generality.

Hey ttc, how's the tanning going, you cutie?

ttc wrote:

Lukas won "only" 1 Footlocker (I don't think he won 2). But he also won NIKE the same year. Plus, he was a sub-4:00 miler & sub 8:30 2-miler in HS. Not to mention, he was every bit as dominant as Grant.

Neither was Ritz in HS XC. But Lukas was at Grant's level, yet his name's never mentioned, that I've seen.

1) Lukas was better than Grant in HS.

2) People are not talking about Lukas as much because they are talking more about comparable Americans.

That is all there is to say on this topic.

Unfair Assertions wrote:

The crash and his comeback tells everything about him that you need to know. So the lad didn't like college track/xc that much, so he left it. It's not really fair to him to define his life by that singular decision (to leave Oregon).

No way should he stay on the OU course, when he decided it wasn't for him. Being a Pro Tri is hardly the easy road.

Why would you start a thread with an incorrect statement? That blows my mind. You're on the internet, you know? The answer is literally 5 seconds away at all times. You couldn't wait that long though. You had to get this thread going ASAP!I also like the fragment "Neither was Ritz in HS XC" as a start of a new paragraph. What the hell are you trying to say here?

ttc wrote:

Lukas won "only" 1 Footlocker (I don't think he won 2). But he also won NIKE the same year. Plus, he was a sub-4:00 miler & sub 8:30 2-miler in HS. Not to mention, he was every bit as dominant as Grant.

Neither was Ritz in HS XC. But Lukas was at Grant's level, yet his name's never mentioned, that I've seen.

all of us wrote:

Why would you start a thread with an incorrect statement? .

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Because he's ttc, that's what he does.

By the way, how is the tanning going buddy?

Mama wanna be wrote:

all of us wrote:

Why would you start a thread with an incorrect statement? .

Because he's ttc, that's what he does.

By the way, how is the tanning going buddy?[/quote]

Never been in a tanning booth. But if bikinis are everywhere around a pool- he|| yea, I'll sit with them.

You've brought tanning up for 5 years- Why?? Seriously creepy to ask another guy about tanning for 5 years.

Stick with eharmony wrote:

Awwwww how cute. A LV fanboy. Look this fairy deserted the lame ducks and cried about it. Lol he's a chump. Honestly I don't give a fvck about his crash . So what? He's a loser always is and always will be.

This is not even mildly amusing or funny, even if meant as satire of some strange sort.

You are world class idiot. May you crash into a guard-rail too.....and not wake up.

ttc wrote:

Lukas won "only" 1 Footlocker (I don't think he won 2). But he also won NIKE the same year. Plus, he was a sub-4:00 miler & sub 8:30 2-miler in HS. Not to mention, he was every bit as dominant as Grant.

Neither was Ritz in HS XC. But Lukas was at Grant's level, yet his name's never mentioned, that I've seen.

What does this sentence mean: "Neither was Ritz in HS XC."?

One thing that LV did not do is run with his school. He ran no competitions other than those required by ILHSAA to go to States (where he hoped to break CV's 13:50 record).

Same thing in indoor track and outdoor track. When Ritz was running, even in his soph and junior year, he would run the 4x800r, 800, 1600 indoors or even the 4x800r, 1600, 3200.

Same thing outdoors. He ran ~30 races indoors and out, maybe MORE. His senior season was muted somewhat by training for WJCCC and the World Trials (where Teg beat him), and his sub-13:44 quest outdoors.

Had he not chased those two things I think he could have made a bigger impact with attempts at sub-4:00 and sub-8:36.3y. I thought so at the time, and still think so.

HE made a big impact (at the time) with his WJCCC 3rd-place, but it is not something that people remember for very long. Jeff Nelson's record stood for 29 yrs. Ritz could have held it until LV put it out of reach. Maybe he intended to do all these things, since he allegedly wanted to run just the 3200 at State and he got friction from the school over this. He went out in 2:07, 4:17 at State and slowed to an 8:43 on a COLD and windy day.

Maybe he knew better about an attempt on the sub-4:00. I always thought he was capable of 3:59-high in good conditions. He had run 4:05.9 as a junior in a dual meet (where he ran 3 events) and had run several 800r legs as fast as 1:53 ... maybe faster.

But anyway, to your point, LV was basically a PRO while in HS. He and his parents set out make every race for his benefit. For that reason, I have a hard time comparing him to the other all-time greats like Virgin, Rick Riley, Chapa, McChesney, Lindgren, Hulst, Zishka, SOOOO many form California, etc.

In an idealized race ... I actually think LV might beat all of them except Lindgren. Lindgren ran 4:01y 50 yrs ago, and he ran 9:00, then 8:46, then 8:40 indoors. Losing ONLY to Gaston Roelants (2 mile WR holder, Steeple Gold Medalist - THAT YEAR) and Ron Clarke (I don't have to explain Ron Clarke). He showed he had ability similar to LV outdoors by running world class times outdoors in the 1M, 2M, 3M and 6M and 5k/10k that Spring. Times like 4:01y/13:17y same meet - dirt track. He made the Olympic team that year and ran 9th in the 10k where Mills won gold in an OR of 28:24.

I have a hard time seeing LV beating Ritz and Virgin, because only two of his races are more impressive than almost anybody else's (his 3:59y and 8:29y), but I gotta admit that he was quite a bit faster than all of history, no matter what the conditions or excuses (by me) are.

I may be wrong but wasn't LV a big doper?

"Neither was Ritz in HS XC." = Neither guy was at Ritz' level in HS XC.

Ritz *dismantled* Webb & Hall.