Are the Hackers The First Foot Locker Father-Son Qualifiers

the could be.

but possibly rod dehaven/addison dehaven?

I don't believe Rod ever ran Kinney nationals. If I remember correctly he ran the Region (or I think there was an AAU region in '83) his Senior year but didn't go even though he finished 2nd I think. He shut it down afterwards. Addison used to be on these boards, maybe he can answer what the old man did....

Ummm...ever heard of the Cetrowitz brothers?

It's moving the goalposts a little... but Bobby Doyle I believe ran it in 1973 and his son Brian Doyle ran NXN in 2009. Didn't seem that Brian ran at FL unless I'm mistaken.

PwacTwac wrote:

I don't believe Rod ever ran Kinney nationals. If I remember correctly he ran the Region (or I think there was an AAU region in '83) his Senior year but didn't go even though he finished 2nd I think. He shut it down afterwards. Addison used to be on these boards, maybe he can answer what the old man did....

The title asks if the hackers are the first qualifiers, so I do think they are preceded by the de havens

Wise Old Man wrote:

It's moving the goalposts a little... but Bobby Doyle I believe ran it in 1973 and his son Brian Doyle ran NXN in 2009. Didn't seem that Brian ran at FL unless I'm mistaken.

It didnt exist in 1973.

Yes, the Hackers are the 1st father-son Foot Locker Ntl qualifiers

There have been 41 family combos make Foot Locker. Most were siblings, but there has also been:

1 father-mother-daughter

2 mother-daughter

1 mother-son

jsully13 wrote:

Yes, the Hackers are the 1st father-son Foot Locker Ntl qualifiers

There have been 41 family combos make Foot Locker. Most were siblings, but there has also been:

1 father-mother-daughter

2 mother-daughter

1 mother-son

It's interesting. Current belief is that "endurance" genes is transmitted through the mother (not the father). In all cases above, the mother is involved. Is Tim Hacker's wife also a runner? If so, how good was she?

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PwacTwac wrote:

I don't believe Rod ever ran Kinney nationals. If I remember correctly he ran the Region (or I think there was an AAU region in '83) his Senior year but didn't go even though he finished 2nd I think. He shut it down afterwards. Addison used to be on these boards, maybe he can answer what the old man did....

The title asks if the hackers are the first qualifiers, so I do think they are preceded by the de havens

Actually I am able to read the original post. However, let me be clearer...Rod didn't qualify for Kinney Nationals. I believe he ran what was AAU instead and would have qualified for that nationals but not Kinney. Unless someone has the Kinney Regional results from fall of '83, I guess we we will have to wait for someone from East River to respond....

PwacTwac wrote:

Actually I am able to read the original post. However, let me be clearer...Rod didn't qualify for Kinney Nationals. I believe he ran what was AAU instead and would have qualified for that nationals but not Kinney. Unless someone has the Kinney Regional results from fall of '83, I guess we we will have to wait for someone from East River to respond....

These are the results from 1983 Kinney Nationals. Rod DeHaven isn't in the results.

Tom Graves and Griff Graves?

jsully13 wrote:[/b

1 father-mother-daughter

2 mother-daughter

1 mother-son

Can you share that info.

Thanks

Just a thought: 4 cases out of 1000s - statistically, having a parent make finals has no genetic advantage that you'll make finals - infact the odds are you wont make finals.

Statistically if your parent is a top runner you probably wont be. Although Shalane Flanaghan...

90% sure this is the correct answer. Enjoyed racing Griff throughout our high school years, and his dad is a really nice guy. Unfortunately, Griff and I signed with schools in opposite regions and never really raced much in college.

Nope, Tom was in college when Kinney started in '79.

Abingdon wrote:

Tom Graves and Griff Graves?

Matt Centrowitz certainly didn't get his endurance through his mother, right?

Footlocker started in 1979, which is 35 years ago. Not a lot of children would have been generated until after 1983 (when the oldest entrants in the first race would be 22), 31 years ago. Since many don't have children until their 30s, you aren't going to get a lot of children old enough to compete in Footlocker to this point. Probably the first class had a fair # of children by 1991 (at age 30), and those children would be 23 or a bit older now. So, there have realistically been only about half a dozen years to really test this out much. My prediction is that by 2020 or 2030, there will be dozens of father-son qualifiers.

george31323 wrote:

Just a thought: 4 cases out of 1000s - statistically, having a parent make finals has no genetic advantage that you'll make finals - infact the odds are you wont make finals.

Statistically if your parent is a top runner you probably wont be. Although Shalane Flanaghan...

For the most part, the only finalists who are old enough to have kids who have reached high school age are the ones from 79-93. There may be a few kids of younger finalists but the number is small for sure. 15 years of finalists is less than 1000. If they had, on average, 2 kids each, that's 2000 kids of finalists who have reached high school age, of which 4 became finalists themselves. That's 1 for every 500 kids. Do you think that 1 out of every 500 high school cross country runners in general becomes a finalist? Of course not.

Your chances of becoming a finalist are definitely much higher if one of your parents was a finalist.

george31323 wrote:

Just a thought: 4 cases out of 1000s - statistically, having a parent make finals has no genetic advantage that you'll make finals - infact the odds are you wont make finals.

Statistically if your parent is a top runner you probably wont be. Although Shalane Flanaghan...

I'm not a statistician, but wouldn't you need to compare the number of people who had a parent make footlocker and subsequently made footlocker to the number of people who had parents who did not make footlocker and who subsequently made footlocker?

I mean, there are less than 2500 people who have made footlocker/kinney, and four of them have children who have made it. That's the size of a decent sized high school. Wouldn't it be pretty special if 4 people from the same high school made footlocker? Also, that's not to count other people who had parents who were good runners but did not make footlocker for some other reason (Matt Centrowitz because his dad graduated high school before there was footlocker, Martin and Kippy Keino because their dad graduated high school before there was footlocker and wasn't from the USA).

Caterina Rocha. Both parents were FL finalists. Plus her Uncle.