Actually US News and World Reports just issued a ranking of World Universities for the first. They used a different methodology than the National rankings, and it produced using different results, notably for the public schools.
For reference, Wisconsin was #27, Oregon was #268 and Stanford was 4th. Harvard was #1.
The full list is here:
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/local/us-news-global-top-500-universities/1409/
kdkdo wrote:
shrink wrapped wrote:I realize that the USNWR isn't the be all end all for rankings but it largely gets it right. Any ranking that has Wisconsin in the top 30 in the world is completely worthless. Let me guess, Harvard isn't in the top 3 either.
The USNWR does not largely get it right. Have you even read the criteria for ranking? It has little or nothing to do with the actual undergraduate education.
The quality of your classmates is irrelevant. Math is math. Seriously, why do you conclude that any ranking that has Wisconsin in the top 30 is worthless? Do you even have a rational and logical reason for that statement?
Yes. As someone who went to graduate school, was on the admissions committee in graduate school and who has been involved with undergrad recruiting for years, I can tell you first hand that unless someone is at the tippy top of his or her class at Wisconsin, he/she isn't going to be getting into any top graduate school or even a first round interview at any highly coveted company. I agree that the quality of your classmates is overrated but it's hardly irrelevant if everyone is mediocre to dumb and every graduate school and company knows it. Compare the graduate schools and job offers someone ranked just above the median at Wisconsin receives to the same offers someone ranked just above the median at an Ivy or any other top school receives. It may come as a harsh surprise to you but someone ranked in the 40th percentile at Wisconsin simply is not getting into any top graduate program and his/her resume will be placed in the dumpster at a Goldman Sachs or Bain.
Did anybody ever consider that it's not ALL about the reputation of the school you go to, but how much you value your education? As long as the school is decent, you could be successful at any school given good professors and a strong work ethic. Then again, I'm not aiming to work for a big-shot company, nor do I care about how much money I make when I get out of college (as long as I can live on it).
shrink wrapped wrote:
kdkdo wrote:The USNWR does not largely get it right. Have you even read the criteria for ranking? It has little or nothing to do with the actual undergraduate education.
The quality of your classmates is irrelevant. Math is math. Seriously, why do you conclude that any ranking that has Wisconsin in the top 30 is worthless? Do you even have a rational and logical reason for that statement?
Yes. As someone who went to graduate school, was on the admissions committee in graduate school and who has been involved with undergrad recruiting for years, I can tell you first hand that unless someone is at the tippy top of his or her class at Wisconsin, he/she isn't going to be getting into any top graduate school or even a first round interview at any highly coveted company. I agree that the quality of your classmates is overrated but it's hardly irrelevant if everyone is mediocre to dumb and every graduate school and company knows it. Compare the graduate schools and job offers someone ranked just above the median at Wisconsin receives to the same offers someone ranked just above the median at an Ivy or any other top school receives. It may come as a harsh surprise to you but someone ranked in the 40th percentile at Wisconsin simply is not getting into any top graduate program and his/her resume will be placed in the dumpster at a Goldman Sachs or Bain.
as someone who works in the real world with a boat load of MIT, Harvard, Princeton, dartmouth, etc i can tell you that after your first year, where you went to school doesn't matter. its all about what you did after. many of my peers went to fancy schools, however many also went to state schools. no one cares. its what you bring to the table now.
said '96 Gabe Jennings wrote:
Gabe Jennings said this to Jennifer Briggs, a sports reporter for the Wisconsin State Journal. The quote appeared at the end of an article in the 10/31/1996 news edition where Jennings openly announced he turned down the University of Wisconsin.
http://i.imgur.com/SwvfPrk.png
The year is 2014. 2014. That's EIGHTEEN years ago. Gabe Jennings would have been a HSer or transitioning from HS to College. So what? It was a young opinion of his. You're discussing it like it holds some incredible weight? And like it has some time sensitive relevancy? How about we judge you (any posters talkin' crap) by what you said at that age? In fact, Jennings' coursework at Stanford was so difficult, it interfered with his career on at least one occasion (Worlds the year following the Olympics). Yes, come back and talk sh-t when you've had school interfere with your showing at Worlds at the tender age of 21/22. Let me guess, there are probably 0 posters on this board who'd been in such a position. Douchebag posters like to harp on Jennings' candor and passion for life. When you've reached the end of your days and are looking upon eternity and death, maybe you'll wake up and realize the error of so much immoral soulless conformity that you b@st@rds like to wear as badges of pride.
Koppenberg wrote:
USNWR and Carnegie ranking measure different things.
Very few of these ranking services measure undergraduate education, mostly they measure research productivity and grant funding.
Check the Social Mobility Index (SMI) that measures tuition cost, low-income students, and median career income. Here's you'll see schools that change lives with their education.
http://www.socialmobilityindex.org/
The top school on that list has a graduation rate of FIFTY PERCENT. That means that half the poor SOBs that go there don't get a diploma at all, but DO get loaded up with debt. What a load of horse$hit!!!
He seems to be concerned about the quality of ceramics programs, not the schools generally.
Did you read the methodology?
Do you understand how higher education works?
Did your institution teach statistical literacy?
The old way of doing things: recruiting only privileged students of the white upper middle classes and then bragging about rankings that show successful grads is meaningless.
The real struggle is educating people who aren't likely to succeed no matter what the school does. Otherwise the rankings only mean: "We have a good track record at recruiting children from privileged backgrounds."
REAL education is harder than that. To have a chance at impacting the lives of people in a positive way involves a bit of risk. Look at where Harvard falls on that particular ranking: it may be an excellent education, but it's not likely to improve the students' lives because you had to win the cultural lottery to get in in the first place.
Yes. Runners World (or another source) had an article linked on LRC that was an article of him while in law school at the U of O.
Remember when he was ringing that bell at the Stanford football game and it looked like he was jerking off on National Television?
hurry up and wait wrote:
okngr0i3 wrote:There are a few departments at Oregon that are better than the same departments at Standford. Wisconsin has several as well.
Standford maybe, Stanford definitely not. Oregon and Wisconsin are little better than Junior Colleges academically. Stanford confers real degrees, not pieces of scrap paper that are passed of as diploma. There are only a few dozen "real" Colleges in America, which includes Stanford but they are the only one in the Pac12, there are none in the Big 10.
So a University of Illinois CS or Engineering degree means nothing?
Northwestern at 13? They spend too much money advertising themselves as "Chicago's Big Ten team" to be forgotten.
shrink wrapped wrote:
Wisconsin currently sits at #47 in the UNITED STATES:
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/page+5You can get a perfectly fine education in the honors program or in the sciences there but, because it's a state school and full of in state morons, most classes are complete jokes.
Note that there are 4 Pac-10 schools in the top 25 -- Stanford, UCLA, Cal and USC -- and zero Big 10 schools in the top 25. Vanderbilt sits at 16.
I realize that the USNWR isn't the be all end all for rankings but it largely gets it right. Any ranking that has Wisconsin in the top 30 in the world is completely worthless. Let me guess, Harvard isn't in the top 3 either.
War Mongo wrote:
Remember when he was ringing that bell at the Stanford football game and it looked like he was jerking off on National Television?
That was Texas Tech and it wasn't Jennings
george oscar bluth wrote:
That's Chris Lukezic. Surely they aren't both in management of that company...
Sorry, you are correct. Gabe actually wrote a hit single about a steeple chaser named Delilah something. So, in any event, he is doing fine.
