Hillary is NUTS - businesses don't create jobs?

Really Man wrote:

Paula p wrote:

Hillary is NUTS - businesses don't create jobs?

Really? Where/when did she say this?

Link or you are a liar.

All that is available on any of the hysterical right wing news sites is a one minute youtube clip that obviously robs the viewer of any real context for the quote. She uses the quote in relation to trickle-down economics, so it seems like the point is not that businesses and corporations don't PROVIDE jobs, but that they don't just create jobs out of thin air. It's middle class families (which are shrinking rapidly due to the implementation of trickle-down policies) and the demand they create that drive our economy and ultimately lead to job creation. Stick with your day job, OP.

Really Man wrote:

Paula p wrote:

Hillary is NUTS - businesses don't create jobs?

Really? Where/when did she say this?

Link or you are a liar.

Here she is...showing her brilliance:

It's "ok" because ignorance is bliss I guess. Let me try to lay it out even simpler for you.First, "Taking existing ideas and making them better" (you) is basically "continuing to innovate" (me), which is what I just said they did. The iPhone was a huge leap forward though, not an incremental step."The creation and manufacture of those products created jobs. The demand created the jobs" (you). So here you say, in consecutive sentences, that two distinctly different things "creates jobs". You have to choose one. They are different. Which one comes first? To me, the obvious answer is that the decision by a business to move forward with producing a product that they developed creates the jobs. If they are correct in their projections (while assuming a ton of risk) of profitability in producing the product, then they could potentially create even more jobs.Were video games introduced because people wanted another activity that kept them in front of their TVs (or standing in front of a giant box)...or was it an incredible idea brought to the public by a handful of individuals? ...Which then blossomed into an industry that generates billions and created thousands of jobs?Businesses create jobs.

Track Timer wrote:

I don't understand your point, but that is ok.

Apple rarely invents anything. They take existing ideas and make them better. There were mp3 players before the iPod. Apple did it better. There were tablets before the iPad. Apple did it better. There were phones, smartphones, and mobile internet devices before the iPhone. They did it better. Apple knew there was a demand for these products because others had tried and succeeded in those areas (think Blackberry, etc).

Either way, the demand for these devices created a market, which Apple filled with its products. The creation and manufacture of those products created jobs. The demand created the jobs. If there was no demand for these products there would be no reason to produce them and no jobs associated with them.

Ughh. Polls be damned, she's not getting elected. So calculating, so disingenuous. Always a finger to the wind. Forget political leanings, just on a basic human level, it comes across as false.

random3 wrote:

Really Man wrote:

Really? Where/when did she say this?

Link or you are a liar.

Here she is...showing her brilliance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyUoCiWsTfI#t=12

random3 wrote:

Really Man wrote:

Really? Where/when did she say this?

Link or you are a liar.

Here she is...showing her brilliance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyUoCiWsTfI#t=12

I see, so a 30 second clip entirely out of context.

Wanna try again?

Dude only stupid people fall for that crap

LOL @ reallyman

What's next you are going to attack my character?

You think apple would have bothered developing the iPhone if there hadn't been a consumer market for it?

This may shock you, but business R&D is driven by what they think people will buy, i.e. what there is demand for.

A large part of the stagnant world economy in recent years has been businesses not investing because they think there is no demand for increased production.

So it seems very short sighted to attribute all economic growth to "supply" only.

Paula p wrote:

She really believes that? She is done as viable pres candidate

As someone who created a small business 14 years ago, I hold Hillary's assertion as tangible evidence of her myopic vision.

Track Timer wrote:

I don't understand your point, but that is ok.

Apple rarely invents anything. They take existing ideas and make them better. There were mp3 players before the iPod. Apple did it better. There were tablets before the iPad. Apple did it better. There were phones, smartphones, and mobile internet devices before the iPhone. They did it better. Apple knew there was a demand for these products because others had tried and succeeded in those areas (think Blackberry, etc).

Either way, the demand for these devices created a market, which Apple filled with its products. The creation and manufacture of those products created jobs. The demand created the jobs. If there was no demand for these products there would be no reason to produce them and no jobs associated with them.

Apple invented the personal computer. So they had one good idea.

This is the first time you realized Hillary Rotten Clinton is nuts?

Uhhh... hey!... uh... you didn't build that!

Enjoy

Barack

Obama's

Legacy

America

dancing with the woz wrote:

Apple invented the personal computer. So they had one good idea.

Except that the Apple 1 was a much improved copy of the Altair.

Track Timer wrote:

Either way, the demand for these devices created a market, which Apple filled with its products. The creation and manufacture of those products created jobs....

MOSTLY IN CHINA.

Tyrannosaurus Rexing wrote:

Track Timer wrote:

Either way, the demand for these devices created a market, which Apple filled with its products. The creation and manufacture of those products created jobs....

MOSTLY IN CHINA.

There is a major trade distortion with China but it shouldn't bother us...most of the Apple components are made elsewhere (like Taiwan, South Korea, and Singapore), shipped to China for assembly, and then shipped here for us to buy. China's value added portion of Apple products is

...less than 5% of the cost of an iphone. It costs Apple like $5 to get an iphone assembled in China. They are cheap labor.

random3 wrote:

LOL @ reallyman

What's next you are going to attack my character?

I see, so a 30 second clip entirely out of context.

Wanna try again?

Paula p wrote:

She really believes that? She is done as viable pres candidate

Consumer spending creates jobs. Businesses fill the jobs consumer spending creates.

HRE wrote:

Paula p wrote:

She really believes that? She is done as viable pres candidate

Consumer spending creates jobs. Businesses fill the jobs consumer spending creates.

But that's not what she's saying here, now is it? Try again.