KILIAN JORNET LOSES TO "D" CLASS AFRICAN

Guys, I've run with Kilian on a road. He is not "fast". He could never run under 15:00 for 5km.

This thread gave me AIDS. Seriously, you hater kiddies need to put on condoms before typing your hateful crap on these forums.

Going along those same lines...Kenenisa Bekele is not "fast". I could easily beat him in a 200m. He could never go under 23 seconds in that event.

Kilian himself said that he had heavy legs from the VK the night before. This was also his last race of the season, and he probably wants to get back on skis.

And, he was only 30 seconds behind Mamo. In this type of race, that's not quite considered getting "demolished"

Wasn't Mamo the 2012 World Mountain Running champion?

Eocl wrote:

Kilian Jornet, "the world's greatest trail/mountain" runner got demolished by a lower-class African in Petro Mamo in Limone... he even mercied Kilian to give an excuse on why he lost!!! Classic,http://skyrunning.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=332:skyrunnerr-world-series-kilian-takes-three-world-titles-at-limone&catid=37:article-slider-content&Itemid=134

Imagine Kimetto in the mountains for 160km!! I think he would be 30-min + ahead of the likes of Jornet and Mamo.

Wow. You are either trolling or you are just profoundly stupid. I hope you're trolling, because if you're not, I fear for the safety of everyone around you. You are a significant threat to the well being of humanity.

Others in this thread have already made excellent points against your claim so I will not repeat them. Just know that Jornet is currently the best mountain runner on Earth, but even the best don't win every single race they run.

Oh he's the best mountain runner eh? Who's the best egg-spoon runner?

circus dirkus wrote:

Oh he's the best mountain runner eh? Who's the best egg-spoon runner?

Flovian Malgodon. He ran the Boorish Hill 50 Mile egg-spooning the whole way.

There are people on both sides of the spectrum (short distance road track AND all mountain-100-miler trail ultras guys) who seem to have no idea what they are talking about. There is a scary lack of perspective.

I'm not saying i know what I'm talking about, but I've seen both sides from moving up on the roads/track into MUT Running. Disclaimer: I haven't done 100 miles...yet.

To give Mamu some credit, he won the 2012 World Mountain Running Champs (12km, granted it's not like the IAAF cross country champs) in 1:01:34. I was back in 1:05:55, Joe Gray was back in 1:06:20 and Rob Krar was back in 1:08:03). But that was only one race and i'm only comparing a couple runners that people might know. He's a class runner in the MUT scene and I have no idea what his track/road times are, but I'd guess he'd really kick my butt at any distance from the mile to any ultra.

Kilian, on the other hand has also always kicked my butt..but it's always been at an ultra distances in fairly "extreme" environments. UROC, was probably the most tame course we did, but it was still 66 miles going up to 12,000 and powerhiking in a foot of snow. And Krar and Dakota and Clayton beat him that day. At The Rut 50km, I powerhiked a mile up one of the "off-trail" ridges and split like a 23min mile (all-out). Kilian powerhiked about 3 minutes faster that mile and caught me. He passed me on an uphill when I was breathing very hard (he was not breathing very hard) and it went exponential from there. But then again, my Vo2max isn't 90 and i suck at powerhiking. On technical downhills he is waaaayy better than almost anyone. I suck at any sort of downhill running...even on smooth roads at -3% grade.

I think what you'll continue to see is "the rise of the MUT Runner" where faster road/track guys will move into these mountain-ultra-trail races. Course records will fall, FKTs will be reset, and guys like Kilian will get a run for their money. It won't be a flood of guys though, because anyone who is looking to tap a sub 2:10-2:12 road marathon can still make more money (or make the Olympics depending on what country you're in) at the shorter distances. There's an injury risk in MUT Running, and there is also a learning curve... I have no doubt in my mind that some of the guys who smoke me at shorter distances on the road/track would also smoke me at some ultras. But I'm only a 2:16:52 guy and I just started training in the mountains/trails 2 years ago.

I've said this before and I'll say this again: it all comes down to developing specific musculature for efficient running economy on variable terrain. Being fast on the flat track at 5km doesn't always translate so well even for a race like Mt. WA (which is only 7.5 miles on a road) but all uphill at an average 12% grade. That's why you have a guy like Zach Miller (31-min 10km runner in college) beating a guy like Ryan Bak (13:40ish 5km I think?) in that race (Sorry Ryan, just wanted to use an example). I would also point out that that same Zach Miller is the only guy who is undefeated against Rob Krar in an ultra. Some of this ability is what you're born with and some of it is how you've developed your musculature through specific training. We could look at metabolism has well as a deciding factor...

So there is a lot of variation in the ability of runners (from Vo2max to 10km/5km and marathon PR times) and how they will actually do in a MUT Running event...(Which could be anything from a Vertical K to a 100-miler on the track or in the mountains like Hardrock). Then again, with events like this I don't think it really matters what the actual distance is...a 50km in the mountains could take just as long as a 50-mile race like JFK. So course profile (elevation, terrain) determines your ability to perform more than anything else. That variation between courses and MUT Running distances will keep any one athlete from dominating everything and it will also lead to fields where not all the top MUT Runners line up against each other.

Thanks for the balanced perspective.

Thanks. I will admit to also having a lot of personal bias as well so hopefully I didn't come off as being too blunt. I've only been in MUT Running for 2 years so I don't speak from very much experience...but I have raced in the same races as these guys and have experienced SkyRunning events at some different distances.I hear from high school and college runners who race the mile on the track and I hear from the 45 year-old dads who work full time and train for 100-mile trail events (and every age of runner who does different distance events between that spectrum)..but it's always been a continual learning process.

Minister of Truth wrote:

Thanks for the balanced perspective.

Didn't I read that Mamo only beat him by 30 seconds? Um, yeah, I did. So 30 seconds over 25K and you think he got killed by him? LOL...they were both about 5 minutes ahead of the next guy, and this is a shorter race that what Killian is used to. Anyone who thinks this has any bearing at how East Africans would do at ultra distances on trails is plain stupid.

Eocl wrote:

For those of you unfamiliar with the likes of Jornet, he ALWAYS runs the VK the day before the SkyRace. For the past 6 YEARS. This is not new. He did it in Montana before racing Sage at the Rut, besting Sage by a landslide.

Here's the deal. The first damn a decent African lines up on Kilian's turf, the African destroys him. It was even a RACE. Mamo basically did a solo run through the mountains while Kilian battled for his ego.

You guys just don't get running. And by the way, NO ONE over 45 in the US know Kilian. He is known by the younger 25-35yr old age group in the US.

You think a 50-year old fat @ss participant knows Kilian Jornet? Get real.

Didn't I read that Mamo only beat him by 30 seconds? Um, yeah, I did. So 30 seconds over 25K and you think he got killed by him? LOL...they were both about 5 minutes ahead of the next guy, and this is a shorter race that what Killian is used to. Anyone who thinks this has any bearing at how East Africans would do at ultra distances on trails is plain stupid.

Eocl wrote:

For those of you unfamiliar with the likes of Jornet, he ALWAYS runs the VK the day before the SkyRace. For the past 6 YEARS. This is not new. He did it in Montana before racing Sage at the Rut, besting Sage by a landslide.

Here's the deal. The first damn a decent African lines up on Kilian's turf, the African destroys him. It was even a RACE. Mamo basically did a solo run through the mountains while Kilian battled for his ego.

You guys just don't get running. And by the way, NO ONE over 45 in the US know Kilian. He is known by the younger 25-35yr old age group in the US.

You think a 50-year old fat @ss participant knows Kilian Jornet? Get real.

Didn't I read that Mamo only beat him by 30 seconds? Um, yeah, I did. So 30 seconds over 25K and you think he got killed by him? LOL...they were both about 5 minutes ahead of the next guy, and this is a shorter race that what Kilian is used to. Anyone who thinks this has any bearing at how East Africans would do at ultra distances on trails is plain stupid.

Eocl wrote:

For those of you unfamiliar with the likes of Jornet, he ALWAYS runs the VK the day before the SkyRace. For the past 6 YEARS. This is not new. He did it in Montana before racing Sage at the Rut, besting Sage by a landslide.

Here's the deal. The first damn a decent African lines up on Kilian's turf, the African destroys him. It was even a RACE. Mamo basically did a solo run through the mountains while Kilian battled for his ego.

You guys just don't get running. And by the way, NO ONE over 45 in the US know Kilian. He is known by the younger 25-35yr old age group in the US.

You think a 50-year old fat @ss participant knows Kilian Jornet? Get real.

Didn't I read that Mamo only beat him by 30 seconds? Um, yeah, I did. So 30 seconds over 25K and you think he got killed by him? LOL...they were both about 5 minutes ahead of the next guy, and this is a shorter race that what Kilian is used to. Anyone who thinks this has any bearing at how East Africans would do at ultra distances on trails is plain stupid.

Eocl wrote:

For those of you unfamiliar with the likes of Jornet, he ALWAYS runs the VK the day before the SkyRace. For the past 6 YEARS. This is not new. He did it in Montana before racing Sage at the Rut, besting Sage by a landslide.

Here's the deal. The first damn a decent African lines up on Kilian's turf, the African destroys him. It was even a RACE. Mamo basically did a solo run through the mountains while Kilian battled for his ego.

You guys just don't get running. And by the way, NO ONE over 45 in the US know Kilian. He is known by the younger 25-35yr old age group in the US.

You think a 50-year old fat @ss participant knows Kilian Jornet? Get real.

Who is the best track runner? Why do they need all these different running events. Why can't they just do one distance and that be it.Dumbas$.

circus dirkus wrote:

Oh he's the best mountain runner eh? Who's the best egg-spoon runner?

stater of facts wrote:

Which is why some hard working but not super talented guy like Jornet can dominate.

I am much more impressed by sub-2:05 marathons than by any performance in ultrarunning, but to say that Kilian is not super talented is ridiculous. The guy has a higher VO2 max than anyone else in the sport right now.

Also, you're clueless about Mamo, who isn't a "D" class African at all. He's one of the top names, internationally, in shorter course mountain racing, a mountain racing world champion. Last year, Mamo also handily beat recent 2:08 guy / WC Bronze medalist / Euro Champion guy Viktor Rothlin in the highly competitive Jungfrau Trail Marathon, losing only to a Kenyan who had previously run a 61:12 half completely solo. The fact that Kilian lost by such a small margin the day after racing hard for vertical K, at the end of such a long season, on a rare off day, does show that he is absolutely the best in the world at what he does.

I know the top guys in the US like Gray, Sage, Max, Bak, and also Kilian of spain. What I can tell you about Mamu (I know his agent very well), he did not run very hard to beat kilian.

Think about this, this was a skyrace which is very different than world champs in mt. running. They are much more technical and Mamu does not do these types of races so he was out of his element. Mamu was able to come out and dominate easily jogging the technical descent. Mamu does not compete in the series so why do you bring this up? Its not much money to place high in it and he makes a ton of money doing other races.

Kilian has record at Kilamanjaro because most fast africans dont care about getting acknowledged for a fast workout up a mountain. Kilian was funded to do that by a sponsor, most africans do not focus on training efforts and posting their times.

I recently spoke to Joe Gray (Top US mountain runner, who almost beat Kilian earlier this year but had a nasty fall) of USA about who he thought would win between kilian and mamu and why. He told me this, "Mamu is the best mountain runner in our generation". I didn't believe him and said i thought kilian would win easily. I was WRONG

so in other words, you don't know Pedro MamO. Notice I capitalized the "O" and didn't slide in a "U" like you did. Your post means nothing because it is all lies.

Please tell me which statement was a lie? Sorry I misspelled his name, english is not first language for me.