Question: Does the military put its soldiers on PEDs? If not, why not?

yeahyeahyay.. wrote:

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Sure, keep that head in the sand...

Yes, and my tent, and my gear, and my weapon, and my meals.

Been there; done that. Where did *you* serve?

Don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

The documents are all there if you want to read them.

Precious Roy wrote:

Some believe that the spike in suicides among combat veterans is due to a lax military policy on psychotropic drugs (anti-depressants, sleep aids, etc.). The military pretty much lets soldiers go into combat with a 6 month supply of psychotropic drugs.

The problem with using PEDs to build supersoldiers is that it is just too easy to have dosing problems. Most soldiers are kids (18-22 years old). Unless you have a doctor regulating PED use, the risk for overdose is substantial.

except the suicide rate among military is probably lower than that of the general population.

so we should probably all be on psychotropic drugs

Absolutely they do (or did). I have a friend that enlisted in the marine corps around the time of the first gulf war...he entered boot camp at 120 lbs and left at 185 lbs...all muscle. He said they told him he was getting shots for "vitamins", but he has no idea what all he was given. He still has the benefits to this day (early 40s now) and can workout like a madman and recover very quickly.

looks like the military does regular testing for many drugs, inclulding amphetamines. They do not regularly test for steroids, although commanders have the ability to do so.

DoD labs are equipped to test for marijuana, cocaine, amphetamines, LSD, opiates (including morphine and heroin), barbiturates and PCP. But not all samples are tested for all of these drugs.

Every sample gets tested for marijuana, cocaine and amphetamines, including ecstasy. Tests for other drugs are done at random on different schedules for each lab. Some laboratories do test every sample for every drug.

Commanders can request samples be tested for steroids. In this case, the samples are sent to the Olympic testing laboratory at the University of California at Los Angeles.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/theorderlyroom/l/bldrugtests.htm

and steroid use without a prescription is illegal and against the military rules.

FORT BRAGG, N.C. - According to a military website, a survey conducted by the Department of Defense in 2008 (the last year for which figures were available), showed that 2.5 percent of Army personnel had illegally used steroids within the past 12 months.

The disparity between the cost of a steroid analysis, from $240 to $365, to what a marijuana analysis cost, about $8, is huge. Officials do not routinely test for steroids unless abuse is suspected.

Servicemembers know that steroid use is illegal unless prescribed by a physician and its a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, as listed under Article 112a. Use can be punishable by actions such as a reduction in rank or expulsion from the armed services. Any use of an illegal drug or misuse of a prescription drug could raise questions about trustworthiness or about the willingness to comply with laws and regulations -- which could affect a servicemember's security clearance.

Hingle McCringleberry wrote:

Why not develop FEDs or Fart Enhancing Drugs.

Right idea; wrong acronym: MRE's gotcha covered.

Italian police have busted an international drug ring that had been sending steroids and performance-enhancing drugs to U.S. soldiers in Iraq who, Italian investigators say, were ordering them via the Internet.

"During my deployments in Iraq there were often rumors that certain soldiers were taking steroids because of their sudden increase in physical size. When the unit deployed these soldiers looked no different from the average soldier, but upon completion of the deployment they looked Rambo-esque. Some soldiers felt that others were getting away with steroid use because these soldiers were rarely seen in the gym and because drug testing through urinalysis was rarely done by units while deployed. Moreover, many soldiers believe that although the military frequently tests for drugs like cocaine and marijuana, tests for steroids are conducted with less frequency."

Are SSRI's (Prozac etc.) performance enhancing if they enable soldiers with PTSD to be redeployed?

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1812055,00.html

You people talking about random drug testing are missing the point. In certain units and at certain times the military is giving its soldiers PEDs, not just tolerating private use of them. Of course they don't want them doing drugs, except on those occasions when they want them doing drugs.

Does nobody on this thread read? Or read anything other than government propaganda?

Mr. Obvious wrote:

You people talking about random drug testing are missing the point. In certain units and at certain times the military is giving its soldiers PEDs, not just tolerating private use of them. Of course they don't want them doing drugs, except on those occasions when they want them doing drugs.

Does nobody on this thread read? Or read anything other than government propaganda?

WTF are you babbling about?

From the 2008 documentary Bigger, Stronger, Faster*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naVjNU2DdfM

Of course. Back in the World War II, Germans had the Pervitin (methanphetamine).

Some soccer teams used pervitin until the 80's...so there's not like XC skiers, bikers, distance runners or sprinters are the "guinea pigs" of all the PED'S. Apparently, you have to look at soldiers, FBI agents, etc.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/crystal-meth-origins-link-back-to-nazi-germany-and-world-war-ii-a-901755.html

The US military does not use PEDs and in fact will kick you out for using marijuana and other drugs. The military is broken in two categories, 1) the regular four branches, USAR, USAF, USN, USCG, and 2) USMC. The regular four branches have a large population of active duty personnel for the Generals to choose soldiers with great flexibility and with varied criteria. The USMC pre-qualifies personnel before granting active duty status and then continues to sadistically train soldiers each week as close to the point of mental and physical limitations as practical. But no doping is used by the regular military nor USMC.

Look up "go pills".

Here, I'll do it for you:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Go+pills&oq=Go+pills&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i64l3.1268j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=0&ie=UTF-8

Salt Peter

The main performance enhancing drug that the military has provided to soldiers historically is nicotine. During world war two the US gave servicemen generous rations of cigarettes to improve performance and increase morale. In general it is believed that the US policy of giving it's soldiers cigarettes and booze are what helped it defeat the Germans who would not allow their soldiers to partake of such vices. On the flip side it firmly entrenched cigarettes into almost every part of our culture when the soldiers came back home and shared them with their wives and friends.

I read something a couple years ago about them studying transfusions. And yeah they give speed to pilots.

But the US military doesn't seem to consider athletic ability a priority considering their low performance standards. They like vehicles and automation. I don't see how they'd consider things like transfusions to be cost-effective.

nice backdoor brag wejo, classic