OFFICIAL 2014 Paris Diamond League Discussion Thread

Only 2:00 800 pr for Jenny but 3:57 1500? Fantastic! 3:56 before the season's over.

i hate larry rawlson wrote:Rupp can drive from 800 out in what 1:56, maybe faster and rock the last 400 in what, 52-mid, so he's got wheels. He could put himself in winner's and record territory by applying his cardio/strength/endurance and either of those two tools will kill the field at the end except for the strongest Africans. Why he doesn't just use what he's got is beyond me.

He's just following directions of coach Salazar. Working on tactics, which Salazar is limiting him to going from 400/600 out.

Maybe, but 26:46 is a big engine. Seems to me when you got lungs like that you can eliminate a lot of tactics.Which reminds me, anybody know if Komen used tactics when we was running 12:40s, or Bekele in the 26:20 days?

coachkritter wrote:

i hate larry rawlson wrote:Rupp can drive from 800 out in what 1:56, maybe faster and rock the last 400 in what, 52-mid, so he's got wheels. He could put himself in winner's and record territory by applying his cardio/strength/endurance and either of those two tools will kill the field at the end except for the strongest Africans. Why he doesn't just use what he's got is beyond me.

He's just following directions of coach Salazar. Working on tactics, which Salazar is limiting him to going from 400/600 out.

i hate larry rawlson wrote:

Which reminds me, anybody know if Komen used tactics when we was running 12:40s, or Bekele in the 26:20 days?

mid race sub 60s, last 3000 of about 7:33 in '97

sub 5 last 2000 in '08

Who's Larry Rawlson?

Salazar has had Rupp using tactics for so long that Rupp is now mentally incapable of leading a race, or setting an honest pace.

What the heck? wrote:

OFFICIAL USA 5K GOAT RANKS

#1 is definitely Bob Kennedy

#2 Sydney Maree

After that

Lagat

Solinski

Ritzenhein

Tegenkamp

Rupp

Only two Americans have ever been ranked #1 in the world in the 5000m -- Bob Schul and Marty Liquori. Bob Schul. These are the candidates for USA 5K GOAT.

What a loser wrote:

J.R. wrote:

Uhuh, that's what I said the last time they raced, to run faster than Aregawi and you'll beat her.

That's completely stupid, that's like taking credit for saying the sky is blue

Well you said it wouldn't work, so who's the dummy.

jjjjjjjjj wrote:

Wow. Tremendous race from Simpson, knocking another second off her best and getting so close to Decker (and you cannot say "drug cheat" about her American record when it occurred something like a decade before a testosterone reading that was ultimately thrown out many years after she was relevant in competitions).

How dare you try to make sense to the Brojos.

I agree with you, this is a very good record, and I'm excited that Simpson is getting so close.

4. Pierre-Ambroise BOSSE FRA 92 1:44.23

This guy has to get a real uniform and get rid of those socks, he can go sub 1:44.

LM wrote:

I don't know exactly what it is, but it just seems like it's hard for him to change gears off a faster pace.

You really don't know what it is? It's called being tired. No one can kick well when they've been running close to max effort. The other guys just aren't redlining it as much as Rupp. Remember some of them have run sit and kick 12:4x races. Rupp just isn't on that level yet.

wejo wrote:

Wow!!! 3:57.22 for Simpson

Just missing drug cheat Mary Decker's American record 3:57.12

If you are such a purist why did you ingest caffeine before your races to enhance your performance?

While slandering her, at least point out that her AR was set 13 years before she received a ban for an abnormal T/E ratio with no banned drug actually found in her system.

Maybe in her later years she dabbled in something that increased her testosterone or maybe it really was affected by her birth control.

Either way, there was no eveidence of doping in her prime.

I don't know.

But you don't know either.

So why not show some class?

- Todd Rosenberg

yup

coburn and simpson were awesome tonight - that's why I love the sport and that's how you get great. Rupp and his intentional losing...it's so deflating. He runs up until the bell like bernard lagat...except rupp doesn't have the kick.

although rupp did take the lead tonight - just not too impressively.

anyone know what rupp's last 800 was?

There is no question that was one hell of a 1500. I've already re-watched it twice again.

You know, frontrunning does not necessarily equal "racing like a champion" as you seem to be suggesting. If Coburn and Simpson had great kicks they would sitting and kicking -- that would also be racing like a champion. A runner uses the tactics that play to their strengths.

I also don't get the kudos for Coburn/Simpson "racing like champions" which I take to mean using tactics to WIN the race, and the negativity toward Rupp who was trying to do the same thing -- win the race.

Listen up Les le foote Moody Hank, you aren't as obtuse as some of the others here, so you should be able to figure this out. The most immediate, main objective at this point in time is for Rupp to get that 5000m AR! If you would analyze the somewhat intelligent discussion that has gone on here the last couple of days, you should come to the conclusion that Rupp's best chances of doing that are to get on the heels of those pacers and stick to them like white-on-rice.

So what if such a strategy gets him 4th? That's all he is getting now trying to play sit-and-kick with the likes of a Soi that has quick, gear-shifting ability. Rupp needs to just put it in overdrive from the gun, equally pacing a 12:50 time-trial for the AR. In doing so, he may indeed end up dropping Soi or Alimeru (sp) that just aren't yet in 12:50 shape.

Nike may have to provide some extra incentive-pay to the pacers to get it right. It's likely that once the band of east-Africans see Rupp's pacemaker-following strategy, Soi (or one of his compatriots) will try to jump out in front of the pacemakers, then slow the pace down. Alberto then may have a valid DQ case for impeding if that happens.

BTW, this is the SAME strategy Rupp can use TO BEAT MO FARAH OVER A 5000m as well! Are you awake Alberto?!?!!!

RSAR wrote:

I must say the women had much more heart. See Coburg and Simpson running their hearts out, as well as Vlasic's response to clearing 2m again, compared to weak performances from the men.

Totally agreed with you. Coburn and Simpson really impressed!