That Ultra Guy wrote:
Yeah, we should let all the club coaches cherry pick the better kids from legit HS coaches.
Is there misplaced entitlement that the HS coaches somehow earned the right to coach these kids? Perhaps having more coaching options available for our top talents is better than having fewer coaching options.
I've known plenty of unsuccessful, doucher private coaches. I've also known several high school coaches to overrace their runners.
That Ultra Guy wrote:
Yeah, we should let all the club coaches cherry pick the better kids from legit HS coaches.
oh look, a butthurt union employee teacher...What's important is that some mediocre coach not feel threatened by a volunteer who is a helluva lot better coach. Yeah, that's it..
That Ultra Guy wrote:
More often than not, the decision to seek outside help is made by parents who have no clue as to whether the HS coach is any good.
I agree with Robinson.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
I think anyone who wants to criticize high school coaches needs to actually COACH at the high school level for a couple of years and be willing to follow the school district, league and state rules.
I respect what the private coaches have been able to do with elite athletes such as Grant and Alexa, but it is a lot easier to coach motivated, talented and fast young runners than to manage and effectively coach an entire high school team of 80-100 student-athletes.
I have a problem with private club coaches that interfere with high school programs and who only want to work with the top athletes. They are very disrespectful to the efforts that high school coaches are making and can be extremely disruptive.
That Ultra Guy wrote:
HOw Many Of these situations have you even seen? Oh wait, you've read about it on LetsRun. My bad.
You sound like a spoiled brat that is whining because he thinks he has the right to coach any talented athlete that happens to go to the school he teaches at.
You're making teachers look bad.
That Ultra Guy wrote:
You type well for someone who can't see the computer screen because his head is jammed up his butt. Tell me, do you look out your peepee like it's a periscope? Ahoy there matey!!
More often than not, the decision to seek outside help is made by parents who have no clue as to whether the HS coach is any good. Obviously, there are situations where even a blind squirrel finds a nut or two, perhaps this is how you manage to urinate, and they're correct about the HS coach being mediocre. In at least some of those situations, the coach even works with the parents to locate a better coach. I've seen plenty more situations though where the parents are approached by some supposed better coach who is more interested in latching onto the stardom of the talented kid than in actually doing what's in the best interest of that kid.
Wtf? Actually, I don't know of many private coaches but the ones I do have produced several great athletes. I think of Chris Schrader from TX and Lyle Kundson from CO. They all offer way better coaching than most those kids get at school. There are way more school xc teams than qualified coaches out there. It's just the way it is.
Maybe I missed something. When you say "legal", i'm wondering something like, are they dating, or did the coach take indecent pictures in the locker room?
If the coach is not connected to the school, why would the school be liable?
I'm guessing that coaches and high school athletes can have some kind of contractual relation outside the reach of the school, so long as the boundary is clear. If they used HS facilities, that might be another question. Otherwise, it seems the private coach would only need the permission of a parent or legal guardian, in a decision that does not need permission from a high school.
Looks like Fischer's coach did a good job getting Grant qualified for World Juniors.
That Ultra Guy wrote:
Yeah, we should let all the club coaches cherry pick the better kids from legit HS coaches.
The problem is most HS coaches aren't "legit". Talented kids shouldn't be stuck with clueless coaches.
I am no lawyer, but I believe that the bit about " legally coaching" is in reference to the socialistic school system attempting to impede a persons ability to make a living. Our country was formed on capitalistic principles, not propaganda. Let the best coaches prevail, not those who kiss ass and speak the queens english.
Michael L. Robinson wrote:
The Donger wrote:A few thoughts about some comments from recent articles.
I realize that states have different rules but both Efraimson & Fisher's coach work with kids starting in Junior High. Both do not appear to be employed by the school. Who is their HS coach and how is this possible?
It takes a bit of paperwork to work with kids, background checks etc. the School is liable. Seems odd that Scannell still coaches the distance runners if he is no longer a coach at the school or under the authority of the AD and principal?
Efraimson's coach is a college coach. I'm assuming a volunteer at the high school? Are you allowed to coach both high school and college by rule? Are there not recruiting violations there?
Interesting side stories. Seems like the typical private coaches getting involved in JH.
so we have 2 kids who are doing awesome in the sport, not being burned out, developing a passion for running, tons of potential...and the story is 'is their coaching "legal"? What a POS assclown you are. People like you F everything up by trying to win on a technicality (are your shoe strings legal? They look too short to me..). What - it's "illegal" for anyone not employed by these kid's HS to help coach them? What the F is wrong with you, douche?
Meanwhile, thousands of HS kids are stuck at 5% of their potential because their sorry a#s POS HS coach is a lazy dumbas# with zero knowledge & little interest in helping them succeed. But hey, at least it's "legal"...
people who had good hs coaches have little understanding. There are hundreds of coaches out there just to collect the 2-3k a season of coaching. Hundreds of teams are running 20 mpw and practice could end in as little as 30 minutes. I wish there had been another option than the hs coach for me.
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people who had good hs coaches have little understanding. There are hundreds of coaches out there just to collect the 2-3k a season of coaching. Hundreds of teams are running 20 mpw and practice could end in as little as 30 minutes. I wish there had been another option than the hs coach for me.[/quote]
This ^^^^^
There is nothing wrong with hiring a private coach, but do not expect to run high school events
Schools fund athletic programs to teach values that can be learned from being involved in sports, to to develop future Olympians.
That being said, having been a high school coach for 30 years, the coaches for the local schools are far more committed to the overall development of the students than the private coaches
lmb wrote:
There is nothing wrong with hiring a private coach, but do not expect to run high school events
Schools fund athletic programs to teach values that can be learned from being involved in sports, to to develop future Olympians.
That being said, having been a high school coach for 30 years, the coaches for the local schools are far more committed to the overall development of the students than the private coaches
Complete BS - schools are about participation, and have nothing to do with development, and certainly not to develop future Olympians. Some coaches (and so their programs - it is not endemic to the system at all) do a great job at development, some do a poor job. There are good private coaches and poor ones, which can be said of most Professions as well. Individual people comitt - it is never systemic.
For every F-M, which may win at the NXN level, yet have few become even NCAA champions let alone Olympians, there are many more who actually hold back the developmentof athletes due to incompetence. I see that in my local schools on a daily basis. Of the dozen or so that run programs (sort of) I can name only a few (4 at most) that are really developing their athletes. Of course where I am from none of these people are paid, nor even the private coaches. But the reasons for involvement are different.