help dedicated HS runner run unattached at HS meets by signing this petition

Well i was thinking that we could just sign a waver that would say that they are not liable for anything that happens and it would be completely on the athlete or parent/ guardian

Yea i didnt say that^

sickofit wrote:

Well i was thinking that we could just sign a waver that would say that they are not liable for anything that happens and it would be completely on the athlete or parent/ guardian

Unfortunately state meets are not road races. You'll need proof of insurance.

sickofit wrote:

d2xccoach wrote:

College coaches don't care where you run your good races, state series, open races, whatever. That's the beauty of this sport compared to team sports, if I'm coaching soccer or basketball I gotta see an athlete live or on tape to make a true judgment of his or her abilities and potential. For running, show me a results sheet and I can tell you the runners I'd be interested in talking with.

Ok but your a d2 coach so you have to take the dregs. I wanna run d1.

I don't think you understand how the Division system works for the NCAA.

Yeah we definitely take the dregs. That would be one guy who ran 2:23 post college and 3 guys in the low 2:30 range. Total slackers. (Marathon times not 800m.) Oh, and one other guy who made the national team in a related sport.

Nice job on the troll thread BTW, got all the way down to page 2 before you gave it away.

O.o wrote:

sickofit wrote:

Ok but your a d2 coach so you have to take the dregs. I wanna run d1.

I don't think you understand how the Division system works for the NCAA.

Yeah I do. I have friends and cousins in college. D1 gets the good athletes and d2 gets the dregs. That's why their numbered 1 & 2. It's nit rocket science.

Hey everyone i know about how the division system works someone else is using the username please disregard what the other person says

And not to mention Nick Symmonds ran D3 and d2coach this is not a troll thread

Friolio wrote:

sickofit wrote:

Well i was thinking that we could just sign a waver that would say that they are not liable for anything that happens and it would be completely on the athlete or parent/ guardian

Unfortunately state meets are not road races. You'll need proof of insurance.

Well maybe that could be a requirement to race

Without a lot more the what you've provided as evidence I would never ever recruit a kid that quit his hs team because they could not get along with their coach.

Not everything in life is perfect, deal with it

You will not always get everything you want, deal with it

Disappointment IS part of life, deal with it

Being part of a team and wanting to be a part of a team is really really important well beyond college. You pull this stuff with a boss and you will be the one out on the street without a paycheck. I do not agree with you at all unless you have evidence of illegal or unethical conduct by this coach.

You tried to strong arm him into letting you train on your own and race for the team and you think that he is the unreasonable one? You are not the boss you don't get to make the rules. Whether you agree with the coach or not is irrelevant. They coach, you run, that's the deal. You don't like it that's fine but don't act like you deserve to be in races with other kids who are following the rules.

troll^

If you don't want other people imitating you, register the damn name.

I completely disagree with you. Why is it fair that us kids get stuck with crappy coaching while other kids get Former Collegiate athletes, 2:30 marathons, etc? My situation sounds slightly different then the poster....in addition to the crappy training, the coach has favorites, does not take us to competitive meets (1-2 decent meets per season), Picks on some athletes like me who care, and then their slackness carries over to kids that have potential....oh and we dont have ANY scheduled summer training practices.....

Not only did our coach stop us from going to the Race of Champions last season but training and having a job completely different but the fact that you would compare the two and say that you would not recruit an athlete that is trying to reach their full potential by training to what well specifically make him stronger as a runner shows just how immature, provincial and how little you know about running

ActualD1coach wrote:

You pull this stuff with a boss and you will be the one out on the street without a paycheck. I do not agree with you at all unless you have evidence of illegal or unethical conduct by this coach.

Great analogy. People leave jobs because they don't like their boss all the time. In fact, pretty much every successful professional I know has done so at some point. Not sure why this would leave you out on the street with no paycheck, as most people would secure another job before leaving the previous job.

So since you've made the analogy, do you believe that a person should continue working for a crappy boss? If so, why?

The OP's approach seems fairly reasonable. He doesn't like the way the team operates, so he is leaving the team. Makes sense to me. He has no obligation to run for his school's track team.

Bottom line if you are good enough to be noticed by D1 Track recruiters, crappy high school coaches shouldn't make any difference. If anything it would be a plus.

And if you think quitting your high school team to run unattached is your best option, remember that college track coaches want people with a team mentality. Their job is to win conference championships for their school. Not to develop individuals.

If I was you I would suck it up and do your own training in the offseason. Which is still 6 months out of the year.

You seem like you know everything, you can figure it out.

I had a college coach who pushed the weight room. To the point that I thought was detrimental to my running. So I put less effort into that but didn't try to argue with him.

No Obligation-

My point is they absolutely can quit the team and do their own thing. However, they should not then complain they can't run the championship high school season which has a pre-requisite of being on the team.

If you quit said job for said crappy boss you do not continue to get health insurance or paid vacation with said company.

To answer your question in full their are certainly times when you should continue working for a crappy boss and times when you should not. What makes the boss crappy? Attitude, knowledge, resources, your salary, your opportunity for advancement...etc??

Sometimes we perceive things as being "crappy" because we don't know how to handle criticism or getting yelled at.

In this particular situation I have an issue with this teenager's behavior involving them trying to dictate to their coach their terms to remain on the team. Perhaps if they had approached the situation less confrontationally and more in the vein of wanting to work on the situation together or some other alternative (perhaps they did, it was not explicitly said one way or the other) then I might understand more.

However, the bottom line is that the coach was hired by the school to coach the team. If the student does not want to be coached by the school appointed coach that is their prerogative. Consequently they are voluntarily choosing to quit the team and not be a part of the high school TEAM championship and regular seasons.

George Atlas wrote:

Bottom line if you are good enough to be noticed by D1 Track recruiters, crappy high school coaches shouldn't make any difference. If anything it would be a plus.

And if you think quitting your high school team to run unattached is your best option, remember that college track coaches want people with a team mentality. Their job is to win conference championships for their school. Not to develop individuals.

If I was you I would suck it up and do your own training in the offseason. Which is still 6 months out of the year.

You seem like you know everything, you can figure it out.

I had a college coach who pushed the weight room. To the point that I thought was detrimental to my running. So I put less effort into that but didn't try to argue with him.

Its not that i dont have a team mentality, i love my team. And what people seem to forget is that YOU choose what college you go to so you would choose the college whos training goes best with you. So people dont have this problem a lot in college