What do you think of this Minnesota mans claim of self-defense?????

By that logic, he could have captured them, held them captive for months, and raped and tortured them. We don't take simplistic looks at situations and call it a stand because it's easier. That is a child's mentality-"he pushed me first." You have to look at the situation as a whole.

Jkj wrote:

By that logic, he could have captured them, held them captive for months, and raped and tortured them. We don't take simplistic looks at situations and call it a stand because it's easier. That is a child's mentality-"he pushed me first." You have to look at the situation as a whole.

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Jkj wrote:

Gun nut here, and I think the guy is a murdering scumbag. Using a gun to kill an intruder is a matter of last recourse. This guy set a trap with intent to kill. It seems he even encouraged the act by setting a scene like no one was home. He certainly had options besides taking two teenager's lives. I have a hard time buying his assertion that he lived in fear of his life in Little Falls, Minnesota. Give me a break. Violent intruders deserve to be dealt with violently, but this doesn't seem to be a case of that. He treated two humans, one a teenage girl, with less humanity than most decent men would treat an animal.

Burglar here. While I normally support the notion that all criminals are victims and homeowners should be sued for all their worth, in the case the druggie teens broke the cardinal rule to never repeat burgling and hence deserved to be shot. They give our progression a bad name.

Making It Work wrote:Yeah. What most of you are saying is that they were wrong AND he was wrong. Cowards. Take a stand for once in your pathetic life. Who was wrong first? The intruders, be they drugee teenagers, hardened violent felons, or first time burglars, took the first step. Once that threshold is passed, all bets are off. It's over.

I hope the police don't shoot you if you go wrong first by speeding.

sadfdsfaafsd wrote:

Read the article. He was shot in the chest. Then in the back. And then in the head. And that finishing shot to the girl? That was after 2 shots to the head already.

Two in the chest, one in the head, and if they are still alive and thus a threat, repeat. And, since Democrats always side with Democrats, criminals with criminals, lawyers and police now advise making sure they're dead, so they can't sue you, Democrats imprison you for resisting wealth redistribution, or otherwise ruin your life.

Well, it was bound to take a Letsrun-turn eventually. I think it is pretty much the way it goes on any message board, however. I never see this idiocy in real-life discussions of events. Republican/Democrat/Whatever really has no bearing on this issue. At all.

Jkj wrote:

Well, it was bound to take a Letsrun-turn eventually. I think it is pretty much the way it goes on any message board, however. I never see this idiocy in real-life discussions of events. Republican/Democrat/Whatever really has no bearing on this issue. At all.

Then you should get out more. You can always predict how someone will react to stories like this. Unless the criminal was white, and the victim black, then the Democrats will always side with the violent criminal, only racism overrides their love for criminality. The Democrats would say, should've waited for police, should've let themselves be murdered/raped to prevent escalation, should've fired a warning shot (which because of Democrats, will be considered a felony, and not in self defense, if brandish a gun, you must kill the Democrat now).

Jkj wrote:

You have to look at the situation as a whole.

And thus always cloud the waters so there is no clarity. The shooter was a victim of the burglars, the burglars were victims of their own bad decisions. That's it. The end. Trying to figure out the shooters level of pre-meditation or his mindset regarding fear overlooks the fact they are dead because of something THEY did, not the shooter. Every time someone dies in a manner such as this, people want answers! Here is the answer, don't do stupid and dangerous shyte. It is dangerous for a reason, IT COULD GET YOU KILLED! How is that for simplistic.

Keep blabbering. The man's fate will be decided by adults.

Absolutely self-defense.

Breaking into someone's house is a violent act. The teens initiated the violence. The man simply responded. People have a right to defend themselves and their property. End of story.

I remember one time when I was in middle school I took care of a neighbor's dog. He was a nice guy and his dog was great. I had to go through the garage to get to the dog food and was given a key. I was told to leave it under a planter on the last day.

I can honestly say that I was not snooping, but I noticed some video tapes in the garage. I looked and - sure enough - they were porn. This was in the early 90s. No internet. I was too scared to take one.

Fast forward a few weeks and I am spending the night with some friends and I tell them about the tapes. We decide to sneak out and see if the key is still there. It is and we sneak in the garage (connected to the house with a door to the downstairs "play room"). It wasn't until I was inside that I realized I had broken into someone's house. Lights go on and he busts through the door. Calls my parents AND the cops and we all get in huge trouble.

The funny thing is that instead of telling the cops that we were looking for his porn (he was married with kids), I lied and said I was trying to get beer out of his fridge. Why? No idea. I guess it seemed less embarrassing.

Anyway, I remember him telling me that he had a gun in his back pocket and was prepared to use it before he saw that it was me.

Just something to think about...

Onecee wrote:

Just something to think about...

For you....for you.

Update.

The homeowner was found guilty of premeditated murder.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/Minnesota-man-convicted-of-premeditated-murder-5438231.php

9 1/2 inches long wrote:

To top it off, he told investigators he heard the girl grasping for air so he placed his revolver under her chin and fired what he called a "good clean finishing shot to the head". He is claiming self-defense. What do you think?

You've obviously not been watching The Walking Dead.

george oscar bluth wrote:

AllTimeLowLife wrote:

I think the guy is a scumbag lowlife, but a part of me wants to say that you have this coming to you if you break into someone's home.

I have no sympathy for people who break into homes. I am sorry.

This x2

I agree.