Truly incredible: Great minds think alike: Al Sal agrees with LetsRun: Mo Farah will go out behind lead pack in 62:15

You should wait and see if you are right first.

Is it just me or are they dialing back expectations in these final days?

no singlet no service wrote:

Is it just me or are they dialing back expectations in these final days?

Who? AlSal or Brojos/LRC?

SMJO wrote:

You should wait and see if you are right first.

How do you suggest I find out? I think the fact that Salazar agrees shows we are right.

If I were coaching any of the top Africans, I'd tell them, "Ok guys, we're going out with Mo as well."

Go out in 62:15, if you feel good, you can run 61:44 home. If you break 2:04 and don't win because someone else went out in 61:45 and held on, God Bless them. Tip your hat to them.

I'd be stunned if Mo wins this race if everyone hits 13.1 together. If he's behind them and they all blow up, then maybe.

The fastest one to the finish line wins. The course record is 2:04:40. Plus races with a negative split are way more interesting.

Watching guys blow up like they did last year is painful.

To be honest, I'd prefer if most races had zero, zilch nada for rabbits.

Haile is being paid big ££££££££££ to take it out in 61:3x again

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5731858

Sambouie wrote:

no singlet no service wrote:

Is it just me or are they dialing back expectations in these final days?

Who? AlSal or Brojos/LRC?

team Mo.

This is not the way a champion like Mo should be racing.

When you are getting paid as much as he is, you have to go for the win.

The UK record?, that is nonsense. You race to win when you are getting paid 6 figures to take the start.

The winner will be someone who is in the lead pack at halfway.

rojo wrote:

SMJO wrote:

You should wait and see if you are right first.

How do you suggest I find out?

The fastest one to the finish line wins.

Wait until the second obvious statement is complete.

Seriously, rojo, you guys need to take it easy on constantly patting yourselves on the back.

MIC ITW wrote:

This is not the way a champion like Mo should be racing.

When you are getting paid as much as he is, you have to go for the win.

The winner will be someone who is in the lead pack at halfway.

going out in 62:15 rather than 61:45 gives Mo a better shot at winning IMHO. others will fade, guaranteed. one or two might not, but if Mo is truly in 2:03-2:04 shape he'll be able to negative split or even split and catch those guys who don't fade too much.

if somebody good had sat back in 62:00 last year instead of going with the lead group on suicide pace, they'd have won easily.

I honestly think Mo will fade if he goes out in 62:15 and don't understand why that's the target. 62:45 or even 63:00 would be more reasonable. 63:00 first half with a 62:00 second half is still 2:05:00, faster than Bekele, faster than any debut ever. If he goes out in 62:15, expect no faster than 2:06.

Of course I'm just some schmuck on the internet though. Perhaps Al Sal knows better than me given he works with Mo every day.

Rojo ... as another poster (tony the tiger) twice pointed out already .. it seems both you AND Al Sal simply read my post and went from there

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5726831&page=7

Does that feel good?

You're welcome.

wtfunny wrote:

Rojo ... as another poster (tony the tiger) twice pointed out already .. it seems both you AND Al Sal simply read my post and went from there

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5726831&page=7

Does that feel good?

You're welcome.

You didn't "call" the time of 62:15 though.

MO has one thing going for him (and against him): Baller Status.

For: His outcome will not effect his status as a baller (He will make a lot of $$$ no matter what). He can go out a little behind pace and be ok. He really has little to prove. Everything else in his life is just a cherry on top.

Against: He is a baller and everyone will be watching him in and out of the race. This might place Mo in the awkward position of being targeted and/or the drama of the race might pull him in too early since he is a major part of the play.

MIC ITW wrote:

When you are getting paid as much as he is, you have to go for the win.

This might be his best strategy to win. If he goes out at WR pace then he will not win. His best chance is to run more conservatively and hope everyone else blows up

Is there any reason to suppose that Mo ever intended to try and run his first marathon at world record pace?

All-Kenyan wrote:

wtfunny wrote:

Rojo ... as another poster (tony the tiger) twice pointed out already .. it seems both you AND Al Sal simply read my post and went from there

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5726831&page=7

Does that feel good?

You're welcome.

You didn't "call" the time of 62:15 though.

I didn't .. and neither did I brag about how smart I am only to sign off that post with the almost childlike error of "Your welcome".

If one is gunna brag about how great one's mind is, one does well to avoid making the kind of mistakes that most folks correct in 4th grade.

Gnome sane?

Dialing down expectations by going for 2:07 by going out in 1:02:15.? Sound bona fide?

Cheezy Wotsit wrote:

MIC ITW wrote:

When you are getting paid as much as he is, you have to go for the win.

This might be his best strategy to win. If he goes out at WR pace then he will not win. His best chance is to run more conservatively and hope everyone else blows up

He doesn't have to be the one setting the pace up front, he just needs to stay in contact. If they slow down, he can slow down too, but bridging from the second group up to the front group takes a considerable amount more energy when the runners with the most horsepower are in the front group.

If he's in the second group and needs to bridge nobody is going to help him.

People are underestimating how strong sub 27:00 guys are. Look at Bekele. He is no longer a 26:20 type runner, but can still hit 26:50 when he is in 10K form. As we saw, a 26:50 guy can run 2:05:03 on a "slow" course while running alone the last 10+K.

Mo, just like Bekele, can set the WR if he's running with the right group through 40K and can get away in the closing meters. A half dozen or so others can set the WR too if the conditions are right and a group comes together that wants to run really fast. I suspect a few other potential WR guys will be at London, and it's very unlikely they'll go out in the second (62:15) group.

Bekele was in 2:03 shape last weekend. I wish London would have had the money to make him run against Mo. That would have been spectacular.

I think the Letsrun.com article stating you can't run a world class 1500 and marathon time is incorrect. Someone like Mo, who is exceptionally lean, is clearing lactate incredibly due to his huge aerobic system. Someone like Alan Webb in his prime was producing and utilizing incredibly high levels of lactate and still able to function just long enough to close out a 1500.

The latter type of runner comes at a fast 1500 from a different method, and has more muscle mass, so they are the types that can not be world class at 1500 up through the marathon.