SUNYAC Jr. wrote:
That's not organized/programmed lifting, so you can't use that as evidence.
That's like saying that you're a NASCAR driver since you have a car.
The question was whether Africans lift or not. Not whether they engage in "organized/programmed" lifting.
If someone asked me "do you drive?" it does not matter whether I am a NASCAR driver or not.
Twice weekly weight workouts consisting of 4 sets of 3-4 reps at 85-90% of one rep max boosts running economy 6% after 6 weeks:
Low reps means no bulking occurs. The result is believed to come from neuromuscular adaptations.
motor unit recruitment, preventing muscular imbalance, giving yourself more muscles to cycle through (resort to) when you start to fatigue, thus preventing fatigue for longer
Running Formula reader wrote:
Aahnold.. wrote:Do the Africans lift?
See 1:00-1:06 and 2:18-2:21
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivzU1fhoA5A[/link
I'm a believer in lifting but watching Haile do a few reps with a 10 pound plate on a chest press machine is pretty weak sauce to prove Africans do much lifting.
Maybe you'll take multiple Olympic gold medalist Seb Coe's word for it?
"It has been described as 'Coe's commando workout,'" Sebastian said back then. "In the fall, it's the use of everything you can think of in the gymnasium, lifting heavy weights twice a week, working every part of the body. After Christmas, we concentrate on every muscle from knees to sternum, using box-jumping, speed drills, repeatedly mounting a beam, high knee lifts, bounding on grass or a soft-sprung floor. It's simple athleticism, really, the coordinated transference of weight and force through the body."
http://www.runnersworld.com/race-directors/ready-set-coe?page=single
themanontherun wrote:
As has been stated in this thread, increasing maximal strength makes submaximal effort relatively easier.
Retard. Do you know the difference between fast and slow twitch muscle fibers? When did fast twitch muscles enhance endurance?
um considering you you all three muscle types during every movement...always. your nervous system cycles through different muscle while you run to delay the onset of fatigue, you never use 100% of your muscle while running, its probably more like 30-40%, fast twitch IS USED, guaranteed. also weight lifting hypertrophies slow twitch too. weight lifting does not isolate fast twitch
StrengthWins wrote:
Twice weekly weight workouts consisting of 4 sets of 3-4 reps at 85-90% of one rep max boosts running economy 6% after 6 weeks:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/fitness/how-the-right-strength-straining-can-bring-big-rewards-to-runners/article13938003/
44 year old marathoners. SOOOO interesting. What were their marathon pr's? 4:40?
Come back when you have comparisons between runners who already have done serious running for many years.
a_Mexican wrote:
um considering you you all three muscle types during every movement...always. your nervous system cycles through different muscle while you run to delay the onset of fatigue, you never use 100% of your muscle while running, its probably more like 30-40%, fast twitch IS USED, guaranteed. also weight lifting hypertrophies slow twitch too. weight lifting does not isolate fast twitch
Please show me the studies that weight training give better endurance than a good marathon program including hill reps, short sprints.
Also, please tell me how many weights the world's fastest marathon runners, Mutai and his group, lift.
im not saying BETTER than im saying weights should be incorporated and...
Storen, O., Helgerud, J., Stoa, E. M., & Hoff, J. (2008). Maximal strength training improves running economy in distance runners. Medicine and science in sports and exercise, 40(6), 1087.
the Nike Oregon project lifts...heavily. nuff said
exercise fizzzz wrote:
the Nike Oregon project lifts...heavily. nuff said
Exactly. Not that NOP is the end-all, be-all, but I’m surprised (also, not surprised) at the level of misinformed virulent dissent on this thread. Most elites lift, and they’ve done so for quite a while. This during a period when American runners have been getting faster. Not to mention the fact that the science has increasingly provided a strong rationale for lifting heavy.
Among coaches and physiologists, there's not really much of an argument going on with regard to lifting. And when most elite coaches’ techniques agree with laboratory sports science (they diverge surprisingly often!), it’s a good sign that they’re doing something worthwhile.
former 2:21 marathoner wrote:
Retard.
Ad hominem hate speech; the hallmark start point of a well reasoned argument. I hope that marathon PR you cite in your handle gets a lot faster so you can get a contract; I doubt you're good at anything else.
Do you know the difference between fast and slow twitch muscle fibers?
I do, likely better than you do. I know that muscles don't work in a vacuum. I know that if you're doing mega miles, your muscle composition won't change that much and that any A/B fibers will still convert to slow twitch. I know that to neglect fast twitch muscles is not necessarily to enhance slow twitch ones. I know that enhancing fast twitch muscles doesn't necessarily inhibit slow twitch ones. I know the best marathoners in the world are 10k runners converting up, not ultra runners converting down. And I know I could go on, but I think most people reading this thread have been pretty well convinced that you're wrong.
When did fast twitch muscles enhance endurance?
When they're actually trained, something you were obviously too lazy to do, or you would have picked up that extra minute and change needed to get the OT standard.
Look who I replied to. He said he lifts occasionally and does push-ups, and that it doesn't it.
"Explosive-strength training improves 5-km running time by improving running economy and muscle power."
[quote]pewow wrote:
Weightlifting helps the central nervous system. Allows the brain to recruit muscle fibers that would never be recruited during normal running so when it comes to crunch time in a race a person has a larger fiber pool to draw upon.'
Utter garbage
Hey former 2:21 marathoner, here's a study for youhttp://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/climate_desk/2014/02/internet_troll_personality_study_machiavellianism_narcissism_psychopathy.html
former 2:21 marathoner wrote:
StrengthWins wrote:Twice weekly weight workouts consisting of 4 sets of 3-4 reps at 85-90% of one rep max boosts running economy 6% after 6 weeks:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/fitness/how-the-right-strength-straining-can-bring-big-rewards-to-runners/article13938003/44 year old marathoners. SOOOO interesting. What were their marathon pr's? 4:40?
Come back when you have comparisons between runners who already have done serious running for many years.
Please show me the studies that weight training give better endurance than a good marathon program including hill reps, short sprints.
Why would you do short sprints if you think that training fast twitch is useless for a marathon runner?
LMAO
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