those of you with kids

Maybe she is the 7th coming of Joan of Arc.

My daughter did the same thing. Only she did it wearing trainers.

thanks for the feedback. fascinating stuff. by the way i'm faster than all of you and your mom says hi.

Chuck Darwin wrote:

I think we might have ourselves another regligion thread. Wooo hoo!

Perhaps you may enlighten all of us regarding the things that are right and wrong or good an bad. I've always been curious.

Perhaps you could enlighten us as to why anyone who knows a prayer would be considered an intolerant zealot. I find that extremely offensive, but not surprising given letsrun's tradition of bashing anything and anyone.

I didn't say anything about intolerant zealots. I merely gave an Amen to that comment. Note the smiley face after my comment. I really did it just to give a religious response to a clearly anti religious comment. I thought it would be delightfully ironic juxtaposition. Clearly I failed....Father forgive me, for I have... oh, you know the rest.Anyway, I'd still like someone to clear the whole right/wrong, good/bad thing. It's always mystified me and I never knew that someone, on this board even, held the absolute truth on such matters. This could be really big in the grand scheme of things. Imagine if we let both Osama and George W know what was absolutely right! Oh, the possibilities. Please do share.

Ghost of Ashenfelter wrote:

Chuck Darwin wrote:

I think we might have ourselves another regligion thread. Wooo hoo!

Perhaps you may enlighten all of us regarding the things that are right and wrong or good an bad. I've always been curious.

Perhaps you could enlighten us as to why anyone who knows a prayer would be considered an intolerant zealot. I find that extremely offensive, but not surprising given letsrun's tradition of bashing anything and anyone.

Ghost of Ashenfelter wrote:

Perhaps you could enlighten us as to why anyone who knows a prayer would be considered an intolerant zealot. I find that extremely offensive, but not surprising given letsrun's tradition of bashing anything and anyone.

The person who said it said that knowing the prayer was the first step toward becoming an intolerant zealot. It's just the first step.

And I think you know the answer why, but allow me to explain in case you don't.

Who are the people who are intolerant zealots? They tend to be highly religious people. Since the Bible says gays are evil, highly religious people will blindly believe that all gay people are evil and deserve the bigoted treatment they receive. The Bible also says that sex is bad. So highly religious people will look down upon people who have sex out of wedlock, even if they are consenting adults. The Bible, actually, the Bible doesn't say this - the Catholic church says that abortion is wrong, so highly religious people will oppose the right to choose and some zealots even turn to killing doctors, all in the name of the Lord. The Bible says that the Earth was created in 7 days, so highly religious people oppose evolution being taught in schools. Gambling is bad. Imbibing alcohol is bad. Birth control is bad.

These are all generalizations of course. Not every religious person believes the same thing. But many of them are extremely predictable.

And he's right - most of these beliefs probably start with memorizing a simple prayer.

[quote]curiosity wrote:

Who are the people who are intolerant zealots? They tend to be highly religious people. Since the Bible says gays are evil, highly religious people will blindly believe that all gay people are evil and deserve the bigoted treatment they receive. The Bible also says that sex is bad. So highly religious people will look down upon people who have sex out of wedlock, even if they are consenting adults. The Bible, actually, the Bible doesn't say this - the Catholic church says that abortion is wrong, so highly religious people will oppose the right to choose and some zealots even turn to killing doctors, all in the name of the Lord. The Bible says that the Earth was created in 7 days, so highly religious people oppose evolution being taught in schools. Gambling is bad. Imbibing alcohol is bad. Birth control is bad.

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hey curiosity-

have you read the Bible? not to be aggressive, or to brag, but i have read it twice, cover to cover. I am not a Bible Scholar, but do have a minor in Bible (30 units) to go along with my Bachelor's of Science degree.

you propose that the Bible says "gay people are evil, sex is bad, the earth was created in 7 days, gambling is bad, and imbibing alcohol is bad."

After reading the Bible, it does not say that gay people are evil. it does say that homosexuality is a sin. it also says that everyone is a sinner--regardless of their sin. in essence, in God's eyes murder, homosexuality, and dishonesty are equal.

Sex is not "bad"; Sex is created by God. sex out of wedlock is a sin, but the act of sexual intercourse between a husband and wife is not a sin.

the Bible says that the earth was created in 7 days. I agree. But, the hebrew word for days is "yom" meaning "day and age." in today's society one could use it this way, "Back in the day, i used to play soccer before i began my running career." that doesn't mean 1 particular day, but a time period. the bible does not say how long the "days" were, but i believe they were long long periods of time, possibly millions of years.

The bible does say that gambling is bad. Jesus spoke more about money than any other subject. did you know that? many do not. he taught about people with riches, and people without anything. he was friends with the poor and the rich. A follower of Christ will be a good steward of that which Christ has given him. gambling money away instead of saving/ investing is not being a good steward.

imbibing alcohol--getting drunk, is a sin. the bible says not to be filled with wine, but to be filled with the spirit. However, Jesus' first miracle was turning water into wine at a wedding. now, heavy consumption of alcohol will alter one's personality, and can cause someone to do things they would not do had they been sober.

hope this clears things up for you.

To answer your question, no, I've never read the Bible. But it sounds to me like I've got the gist of it. Were you trying to refute my argument? Because you agreed with me on every point.

You said:

"you propose that the Bible says "gay people are evil, sex is bad, the earth was created in 7 days, gambling is bad, and imbibing alcohol is bad.""

You then go on to say:

"it (the Bible) does say that homosexuality is a sin"

"sex out of wedlock is a sin"

"the Bible says that the earth was created in 7 days. I agree."

"The bible does say that gambling is bad."

"imbibing alcohol--getting drunk, is a sin"

What exactly do I need to have cleared up? Did I use the wrong words? Did I say "gay people are evil" rather than "homosexuality is a sin"? Give me a break. You know what I meant, and arguing semantics doesn't change the meaning either way.

curiosity,

Just shut up! You're merely an ignorant troll. Do your homework first, and then report your conclusions later. Never read the Bible, and try to come off as an authority. Some nerve. You belong on Jerry Springer, along with the other Christian bashers and bigots on this site.

I'm an ignorant troll?

You don't have to read the Bible to be familiar with its content, especially when it was force fed to you from 1st grade through 7th grade at Sunday school and by your parents from the time you could walk until you learned to think for yourself.

I was raised Catholic. I was forced to attend a Catholic church for many years. Just because I haven't read the Bible doesn't mean I don't know a thing about it.

I actually do see a big difference between saying that (for instance)

a. People who get drunk are evil bad people

and

b. Getting drunk is a sin.

The first statement is a judgement of a person, something that Jesus clearly teaches us not to do. The second statement is simply a statement that it is better to avoid a certain activity. Ultimately, I believe, we're only accountable to God, and should not go around judging each other as people.

By the way, my reading of the Lord's Prayer doesn't show anything even remotely intolerant. In fact, it states that we should "forgive those who trespass against us."

Peace.

I thought we were talking about a little girl who seemed intellectually talented.

I still want an answer regarding exactly what is right and wrong. Everyone keeps saying they know what it is...well?

God isn't real. Sorry. Enjoy living your "moral" little lies....

I am astonished that an intelligent person could believe in such rubish....absolute nonsense...

Chuck Darwin wrote:

I still want an answer regarding exactly what is right and wrong. Everyone keeps saying they know what it is...well?

Actually, there is no right and wrong. People should be able to do whatever they feel is right in their own eyes. Why even have laws that prohibit cheating, lying under oath, stealing, etc? Damn those religious zealots... we wouldn't have these bothersome laws if there were no Ten Commandments. And the Ten Commandments are in that fairy tale book, The Bible. Scrap them all, dammit.

re. wrote:

My 23-month old nephew counted to ten which is amazing for 23 months. You likely have a prodigy on your hands. Foster the girl's intelligence, not just the religious aspect.

Counting to 10 at 23 months is not amazing. My daughter was reading books for 5th graders and counting to 100 at that age. That's amazing.

I can think of worse things for her to be spouting. Now just make sure she grows up to understand!

Yeah, like the crap on the link you posted.

[quote]runners4bush2004 wrote:

I can think of worse things for her to be spouting. /quote]