rojo wrote:
FAST wrote:It's not like Hasay has anything to gain from this move either; she'll move from fourth to third.
Incorrect. Sara Vaughn didn't have the Qorlds time but it's a moot point as Grunewald wasn't DQd.
So it's official-- no DQ?
rojo wrote:
FAST wrote:It's not like Hasay has anything to gain from this move either; she'll move from fourth to third.
Incorrect. Sara Vaughn didn't have the Qorlds time but it's a moot point as Grunewald wasn't DQd.
So it's official-- no DQ?
rojo wrote:
Sara Vaughn didn't have the Worlds time but it's a moot point as Grunewald wasn't DQd.
looked like a DQ to me. not because she won but it didn't need to happen, at this point there were only two or three runners, open your eyes!
BTY....maybe sprinters should get rid of the lines so more contact is made!.
...in a perfect world there should be no contact, and distance runners know that! So for it to two to three times in once race????... DQ her!
racergirl wrote:
As someone who has raced Gabe multiple times over the years I am glad to see that a file has been protesting. People may say that contact is to be expected racing and it is. But Gabe races dirty. It is not as obvious on the sidelines as on the track. I have had several occasions where I have been tugged, pushed and purposely (or so it seems) pushed off track/cut off by her. She does not wait for openings but rather forces her way through people pushing, cutting off and tripping people to get where she wants. I have raced TONS in "elite" circuit races and without a doubt, she is the common denominator when it comes to unnecessary and rough contact in races - and more than the usual expected contact. I am NOT The only one...we all know that she initiates contact and not in the accidental-its-a-race-and-we-are-all-racing-close-together kind of way. Don't forget she was also DQed and before being re-instated 2 years ago at USA (Olympic Trials) as well. It is NOT a coincidence that she seems to be involved on multiple occasions. People will be quick to jump on the anti-Al Sal / Jordan H. wagon but she needs to be called out on it because it is not a one-off accidental occurrence but her usual race "tactics".
Agreed!
EliteFemalesShouldSpeakUpMore wrote:
racergirl wrote:As someone who has raced Gabe multiple times over the years I am glad to see that a file has been protesting. People may say that contact is to be expected racing and it is. But Gabe races dirty. It is not as obvious on the sidelines as on the track. I have had several occasions where I have been tugged, pushed and purposely (or so it seems) pushed off track/cut off by her. She does not wait for openings but rather forces her way through people pushing, cutting off and tripping people to get where she wants. I have raced TONS in "elite" circuit races and without a doubt, she is the common denominator when it comes to unnecessary and rough contact in races - and more than the usual expected contact. I am NOT The only one...we all know that she initiates contact and not in the accidental-its-a-race-and-we-are-all-racing-close-together kind of way. Don't forget she was also DQed and before being re-instated 2 years ago at USA (Olympic Trials) as well. It is NOT a coincidence that she seems to be involved on multiple occasions. People will be quick to jump on the anti-Al Sal / Jordan H. wagon but she needs to be called out on it because it is not a one-off accidental occurrence but her usual race "tactics".
Agreed!
I agree too! we need to file has been protesting more often!!
Well someone got DQ'ed...
DQ Andrew Bumbalough
Nike
https://twitter.com/dbinsaintpaul/status/437386253672005632
Nike group protested Gabe's win & was denied, appealed to jury & denied again, now pushing jury to change upheld verdict.
Jury's decision is final unless new info comes to light in the rule book. None has but appears Nike group will prevail anyway. #browbeat
OK, let me see if I have this straight. Coming from an avid T & F fan (Millrose every year, Trials every 4 years, etc…) I even watch what meets are on T.V. standing up. Read EVERYTHING I can get my hands on regarding track (esp. mid-distance on up). And I've never heard one bad word about Gabriele, now henceforth - Gabe. But it turns out EVERYONE, but me, already knew she was "dirty" and this was "her usual race tactics" "pushing, cutting off, tripping" "tramples" "pushed off the track"!, etc… If this is so well known, and she's been doing it for years, why then did the officials not DQ her? And after a protest by Alberto Salazar! Arguably the most powerful player in the sport. And why has she never been DQ'ed in any race before, ever, - if this is her reputation? If everyone knows this about her, then surely the race officials are on high alert, no?? What a bunch of poppycock.
well, the protest filed during the olympic trials is pretty well known. If you google her it's the very first thing to come up . . .
http://running.competitor.com/2013/06/features/gabriele-anderson-continues-beating-the-odds_73183
A DQ wouldn't be out of the question. She definitely fouled Hasay...
Not only do you come off like a douche, your also wrong.
Salazar "appealing appeal": http://www.runblogrun.com/2014/02/barker-salazar-files-protest-against-grunewald-by-jon-gugala.html
rojo wrote:
One of our employees in Albuquerque texted me and now i've called him to confirm.
He says that Grunewald told him Alberto Salazar has filed a protest and is trying to get her DQd for the contact she made with Hasay with less than 200 to go.
My personal opinion is that's absurd.
Yes there was contact. But Hasay got blown out over the last 200 and finished 4th. I don't understand why anyone who got blown out would protest anything. It's like losing a basketball game by 10+ points and then saying, "But I got fouled midway though the 4th quarter."
I understand why coach Salazar would be upset. It sucks to lose, and there was contact, but the coaches are the ones who are supposed to see the big picture and take a step back and say, "Jordan. You've had a great season. We'll work on that finish and get them next time."
If she lost by a tiny bit, yes protest. But you get blown out? No. That's not sporting.
And don't tell me a foul is a foul. Refs in all sports call things differently at different points of the game. If this happened 10 meters from the finish in a narrow finish, ok. But nearly 200 meters out in a blow out?
No.
I hope the judges do the right thing.
Almost any coach under similar circumstances would file a protest...this is part of your job as a coach. I agree,the best runner won and perhaps the contact did not affect the outcome, but Grunewald committed a violation and even if nothing comes of it, filing a protest is the proper thing to do.
How much is Nike offering??
Sorry for the confusion. My statement "we all know she initiates contact" refers to the women in the pack that she races and competes against. So unless you are one of the people who actually stands on the line and races around the track with her, then you are not part of "we". Today's race is not an isolated experience, it is a pattern and sometimes it is more obvious to spectators than other times that she plays rough, and uses unsportsmanlike antics. When it is a big pack it is hard to see the movement but she still tries to run through people in a pack and push her way to where she wants to be.
rojo wrote:
FAST wrote:It's not like Hasay has anything to gain from this move either; she'll move from fourth to third.
Incorrect. Sara Vaughn didn't have the Qorlds time but it's a moot point as Grunewald wasn't DQd.
So Grunewald is not going to DQorlds?
A coach should stand up for their athlete whenever possible. More than a few medals have been earned at the scorers table.
It's just sucky that this time it is Salazar.
racergirl wrote:
Sorry for the confusion. My statement "we all know she initiates contact" refers to the women in the pack that she races and competes against. So unless you are one of the people who actually stands on the line and races around the track with her, then you are not part of "we". Today's race is not an isolated experience, it is a pattern and sometimes it is more obvious to spectators than other times that she plays rough, and uses unsportsmanlike antics. When it is a big pack it is hard to see the movement but she still tries to run through people in a pack and push her way to where she wants to be.
Your mom races dirty. Wink. Wink.
Below is absolutely true. She has a reputation of being a dirty racer - you can ask any middle distance runner - and it's about time she gets called out for it.
racergirl wrote:
As someone who has raced Gabe multiple times over the years I am glad to see that a file has been protesting. People may say that contact is to be expected racing and it is. But Gabe races dirty. It is not as obvious on the sidelines as on the track. I have had several occasions where I have been tugged, pushed and purposely (or so it seems) pushed off track/cut off by her. She does not wait for openings but rather forces her way through people pushing, cutting off and tripping people to get where she wants. I have raced TONS in "elite" circuit races and without a doubt, she is the common denominator when it comes to unnecessary and rough contact in races - and more than the usual expected contact. I am NOT The only one...we all know that she initiates contact and not in the accidental-its-a-race-and-we-are-all-racing-close-together kind of way. Don't forget she was also DQed and before being re-instated 2 years ago at USA (Olympic Trials) as well. It is NOT a coincidence that she seems to be involved on multiple occasions. People will be quick to jump on the anti-Al Sal / Jordan H. wagon but she needs to be called out on it because it is not a one-off accidental occurrence but her usual race "tactics".
Seyta wrote:
Dennis Reynolds 2.0 wrote:Running is such a pu$$y sport sometimes. Or pretty much all the time.
Running is meant to be a no-contact sport. That's just the way it is. We run races to see who comes out fastest. Not to see who comes out fastest after multiple people have been stepped on, shoved, pushed off the track, etc. If you want to see people pounding each other, tune into MMA or something.
You want no contact run in separate lanes the entire race.
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