Crawl back in your hole moron. You have no clue what you are talking about. 2 of 42 titles were taken away because an assistant coach hired a tutor and paid for a course for Tyson Gay.
Crawl back in your hole moron. You have no clue what you are talking about. 2 of 42 titles were taken away because an assistant coach hired a tutor and paid for a course for Tyson Gay.
McDonnell is hands down the best coach in collegiate track (and XC) history. No question. Henry may be #2.
Hey Jazz,
Please keep posting your anti Pat Henry comments on this message board. hatas gonna hateeeee
There are not 35 college programs capable of winning NCAA Championships as someone posted above. Those of us in the profession know there are probably 10-12 programs in each sport (cc - indoor - outdoor) that have the ability to win. The rest of us are just trying to be successful at whatever level we can.
I do not like Pat Henry as a person. I have seen him treat people poorly when he can't get his way. But having said that if I was an AD I would recruit him to my program since I believe his is outstanding at organizing and implementing a master plan. What John McDonnell did is light years ahead of anyone else, but Pat is #2 on the list. Then #3 would be Vin Lananna. After that, it up for conjecture.
How the *&?? is Vin Lanana in this conversation? Bill Bowerman? How about Bud Winter? Jim Bush? USC won about 18 titles under Dean Cromwell, then Jess Mortenson. Ted Banks UTEP?
Vin Lannana? lol….Nothing against him personally, but he's not even near the others
There's more than 10 teams capable of winning at NCAA. There's around 4 major conferences where the teams are fully funded with a staff, and recruiting budget. If they aren't winning it's lack of recruiting, and managing people. There may be a dozen or so teams NOW that can win it, true, but potentially all big conference schools have the structure to win, it just needs to be maximized. I'd say there's an avg of around 40 programs that have the potential.
How many womens Championships did McDonnell coach?
Fred Mcmurray invented flubber - greatest coach.
Ted Banks had the best program of them all
McDonnell never coached the women's team.
So, he did it again and got fired.
The only way I even heard of this creep was from the stories of him abusing the runners.
Besides that, some team points mean nothing.
That's the problem with a lot of worthless college coaches, is that they're only interested in points.
How about we redirect this conversation and start talking about coaches who recruit high US high schoolers and win titles with them?
That would exclude Henry (JUCO invader) and McDonnell (JUCO and overseas invader).
Who are we left with who has been successful recently?
While he doesn't approach "all-time" talks, Mike Holloway does a pretty good job of developing quality talent and putting together good track teams.
Just a thought - there's a reason Pat Henry's teams have shit the bed at nationals recently.
Maybe "coaching" is really important, after all?
70s wrote:
Ted Banks had the best program of them all
He certainly had a great program, but most of it was imported from Africa. As a coach I have trouble calling a coach who brings in a lot of athletes like that because he just needs to avoid ruining them, not necessarily coaching them to be better athletes. My vote goes to McDonnell.
If you call winning the last 4 of 5 years "shitting the bed" then so be it
correction, if you call winning 4 out of 5, and 3 out of 5 women too, "shitting the bed" then so be it….10 possible outdoor titles, 7 wins, 5 yr
I'll throw my vote in for Pat Henry. He has done tremendous things wherever he has coached. Winning, as he has, at Texas A&M is pretty remarkable. Let's face it, he has not gotten much support from fans at TAM, yet he keeps giving them National championships. I'd but Pat Henry right up there with Vin Lananna as far as a visionary for our sport, and I'd place him right up there with McDonnell as far as his ability to win titles. Combine these two attributes, and I'd say Pat Henry is #1.
athlete abuser wrote:
So, he did it again and got fired.
The only way I even heard of this creep was from the stories of him abusing the runners.
Besides that, some team points mean nothing.
How many cross country championships did Henry win?
True! The program is the track and field / cross country program and he has been negligent for 1/3 of the year.