Another title. Greatest college coach all time?
Another title. Greatest college coach all time?
No, that would be John McDonnell.
Old Macdonald was terrific, but Henry won National titles at different programs and he completely built them from scratch at 3 schools -- Blinn 2, LSU 11 in a row women, Men 3, TX AM 3 peat double, and now this one in 2013
Of course you can't fault Mcdonnel for staying at Ark but you also can't ignore the fact that Henry built 3 dynasties for track. & both men and women too.
Sorry but LSU was already great when he got there.
Wrong. The men's program wasn't a champion team. He was hired originally as only the men's coach. They won the title title in 1989, after 3 seasons - 87 to 89. On the women, when you win women's championships for the next decade basically yr, you are way past the effects of the previous staff's influence on the program as well. It's your program at that point. All the way. But again, the men were not a championship team until three yr following him arriving
aggie11 wrote:
Old Macdonald was terrific, but Henry won National titles at different programs and he completely built them from scratch at 3 schools -- Blinn 2, LSU 11 in a row women, Men 3, TX AM 3 peat double, and now this one in 2013
Of course you can't fault Mcdonnel for staying at Ark but you also can't ignore the fact that Henry built 3 dynasties for track. & both men and women too.
Henry is great, but he didn't build LSU from scratch, lest we forget that they had just won a couple of national championships the year before he arrived. He built Texas A&M from scratch but he inherited a Cadillac when he went to LSU.
so shaver inherited a lear jet right? how many titles have been won since? don't count within two years after Henry left. That should not count in the total.. AND don't count the one that was taken away because of the drug cheat. How many are you left with? Please tell me
Was there more than one coach at USC during their men's program heydays?
tell me bro wrote:
so shaver inherited a lear jet right? how many titles have been won since? don't count within two years after Henry left. That should not count in the total.. AND don't count the one that was taken away because of the drug cheat. How many are you left with? Please tell me
This thread is about Henry, not Shaver. Don't hijack the thread, start another one. Henry did not build LSU from scratch.
When did lsu win a men's national championship before henry got there?
please tell us the history jazzcyclist a.k.a. "Henry hater" ... when had the mens team won before? also, tell us who you are and why you know so much.
I want to know too.. wrote:
When did lsu win a men's national championship before henry got there?
I'm not going to chase into the weeds on some tangent. I said that Henry did not inherit a program in shambles. Do you disagree?
linky slinky wrote:
No, that would be John McDonnell.
He was more of a travel agent.
bugged wrote:
Wrong. The men's program wasn't a champion team. He was hired originally as only the men's coach. They won the title title in 1989, after 3 seasons - 87 to 89. On the women, when you win women's championships for the next decade basically yr, you are way past the effects of the previous staff's influence on the program as well. It's your program at that point. All the way. But again, the men were not a championship team until three yr following him arriving
LSU's men finished 5th in 1987 and if you combine that with the women's 1st place finish, I would argue that LSU had ascended to one of the premier program in the country by 1987. Keep in mind that in the four year's prior to Henry's arrival, four different schools has won the men's championship, so no one had a stranglehold on the men's side. Now there's no doubt that Henry did an outstanding job with the maintenance schedule, and he belongs in the LSU Hall of Fame IMO, but he inherited a new Cadillac, not a clunker like he did at Texas A&M. Also, as far back as the late 1960's, the LSU Board of Directors and AD made a commitment to upgrade the track program to a national caliber one. That's the reason why LSU started hosting national championships in 1973. Without the infrastructure that had been building for the previous 15-20 years, LSU wouldn't have been in a position to win a championship on its home track in 1987. FYI, LSU (4), Tennessee (2) and Arkansas (1) are the only SEC schools that have ever hosted outdoor championships. The other SEC schools don't have the facilities to host. I also remember Richmond Flower saying that when he graduated from high school in the 1960's, the only SEC schools he was considering were Tennessee and LSU, because those were the only schools that took track seriously at the time, while track was just an afterthought at the other schools.
I want to know too.. wrote:
When did lsu win a men's national championship before henry got there?
outdoor track: 1933, 1989, 1990, 2002
pat henry started at LSU in 1988, so 1933 is the answer to your question.
How many Triple Crowns has Henry won?
a) 0
b) none
c) zilchoroonies
d) nada
e) all of the above
Come back when he has an XC title or two.
You still have to win. 5th place in 87 isn't 1st, and among the upper teams it's a stll pretty far away from getting to the top. The upper level of track in the NCAA is like a pro sports league. Because of factors such as budgets,there are around 30 to 35 programs that realistically can even win a national championship - Realistically.
So when you coach one of them types of programs, and you win as many times as Henry has, it's impressive. You don't have to inherit a program in shambles, that's ridiculous. He's beating his peers everywhere he works. Peers = any coaches in the big budget programs in main conferences. You still have to stand out among THOSE teams. No one said he beat mid major schools, and that that makes him effective. He still went from 5th to 1st, and then repeated 1st, multiple times.
It was mentioned that he continued to win well past what the LSU former women's coaches provided the program before he ran the team. Look at how many coaches inherit winners and they wind down to being irrelevant.
Had Henry not coached the tigers, Lsu would have not went from 5th to first, and would not have won women's titles through nearly the entire 90s.
Then look at TAMU.
Lsuol wrote:
Had Henry not coached the tigers, Lsu would have not went from 5th to first, and would not have won women's titles through nearly the entire 90s.
You don't know that. That's just speculation and conjecture. My point is that based on the combined finishes of the men's and women's programs in 1987, LSU was the #1 program in the nation that year. I don't take nothing away from Pat Henry just because he inherited a Cadillac that was returning Tananjalyn Stanley, Esther Jones and Schowonda Williams. History is full of coaches that took Cadillacs and ran them into the ditch. As I said earlier, he belongs in the LSU Hall of Fame, but he did not inherit a clunker as was stated in the OP.
Also, there's a reason why he left LSU when he did, mainly that even he knew that when you have an AD working night and day to undermine you, it's going to be hard to win on consistent basis. Additionally, there's a reason why he chose Texas and not some other school like Missouri, Maryland or Nebraska - deep pockets and fertile recruiting grounds.
1. McDonnell
2. Henry
3. Lananna
Didn't McDonnell get busted for cheating and has some of those national championships taken away? And to my understanding that was just the ones that they can prove... Don't think Lananna or Henry have had that problem. There should be a star next to McDonnell's name along with a disclaimer like we do with drug cheats..