Top D2 school athlete asking for help

They are making you stronger. One day you wont be dropped in those workouts. One day you will be leading those workouts and dropping other freshman.

I don't buy that you are supposed to be running 5 mile tempos at 5 minute pace. That's a pretty solid 8k time for d2, do I highly doubt that you'd be supposed to run that in practice.

And stop complaining. Listen to your coach.

I think mile repeats, 2k repeats, and 25 min thresholds are too long for a 50s 400 runner...

I think this is not very smart coaching...

What times did you run in XC in HS?

And never just listen to your coach blindly.

Do what you're coaches say. It sounds like they know what they're doing.

A 50 something 400 runner at 19 years old issn't going to get much faster.

You have to get stronger, you already have the speed.

You could be an amazing 3k/5k runner if you build your aerobic base as you're coaches want you to. You'll have a hard time dropping that mile time very much, but you can drop a 3k/5k a lot over the next 5 years.

You could be a (D2) national caliber runner if you work hard to build your strength and aerobic capacity.

PS- such work won't make you slower in the mile or eight, you will get faster.

Mutai in training,

Who are you to say he can't get faster in the 400 or the mile.

That's very thoughtless to say...especially knowing nothing about him.

Perhaps the coaches are lazy and put you into their one size fits all program.

OP: when you get dropped in a workout, is it halfway in? Explain

It's one size fits all bud. Just being honest. Try being injury prone or just bag ( try but) the workouts. The best runners know when to put in a "good effort" and when to really push.

A true miler is what you probably are. Stay that way as long as you can.

I am leaning towards Gnomebe.

I hope that you are much more powerful as a person and can speak up to the coaches. rather than secretly bag the workouts.

Nobody grows from that.

I'm a 50.x guy in D2 and can still run 24:40 in cross, doesn't mean shit. Go with the training and man up, shits not gonna get any easier if you just start dropping out of every single workout.

Also, I've broken 50 twice in college so saying someone won't get faster is completely wrong.

When you say you are getting dropped in every workout, does that mean you are running slower than your prescribed times? Run at your level, not the level of others.

ToughAct2Follow wrote:

In high school I ran 50-60 miles and ran 4:15 for the mile and 50.5 for the 400m. As a true freshman, coaches want me to be a 3ker. I'm now training with the distance guys and running 65ish mpw. I get dropped every workout. 2k repeats... 1 mile repeats... tempo sessions for 25 minutes at 5 minute pace... it's really early in my career but I just don't know if these coaches truly understand what kind of a runner I am. Any thoughts on what to do?

Transfer to DI, where the big boys run.

ToughAct2Follow wrote:

In high school I ran 50-60 miles and ran 4:15 for the mile and 50.5 for the 400m. As a true freshman, coaches want me to be a 3ker. I'm now training with the distance guys and running 65ish mpw. I get dropped every workout. 2k repeats... 1 mile repeats... tempo sessions for 25 minutes at 5 minute pace... it's really early in my career but I just don't know if these coaches truly understand what kind of a runner I am. Any thoughts on what to do?

This type of training will make you run fast at the 1500m to 5k.

First, running 50.x in the 400 does not define you as a runner and should not be something you dwell on when deciding on your event. It's just something good to have in the back pocket whenever you need to kick it in at the end of the race. Also, your coaches have the right idea. The key to being a good runner is being a complete runner. Being good at speed work but not being able to pound the long aerobic stuff just means you are one dimensional. All good runners can do both. Once you finally improve enough to where you are crushing these workouts, you're going to pr at every distance because you will be a complete and strong runner. Plus, it's not like your coaches are running you ragged. They only bumped up your mileage 5 mpw, and your mileage is already on the lower side. Just give it time though. You can't expect to make your improvement right away, you're a freshmen. You've gotta put your time in. It's an investment.

I don't agree with most of what has been said here

A miler with 50.5 400 speed has the potential to be running sub-4, so it would appear that your endurance hasn't caught up with your speed, and at least it used to be quite common for milers to do some 3Ks indoors (Seb Coe). But if that was the case, you would also be doing some speed workouts for maintenance.

Many people move up in distance in college, and it could simply be that your coach always intended to move you up. But given the 50.5 speed, I might actually want to move you down to 800. You might try to ask your coach where he sees you going long term.

i agree with everything you said except the 50.x to sub 4 correlation.

Freshman year has been sucking because I get dropped usually halfway between workouts lately. The head coach has told me my next step is to get my recovery days down to 6:30 pace, bump the mileage up, and quite being a p**** during workouts. We have a large team so there is a set time for the intervals to be run at but if you're not in "the pack" then they think you're wimping out. They do believe I'm an 3ker but to be perfectly clear the only uninjured seasons I had in high school were Freshman track & field, Junior cross country, and Senior cross country. I am very prone to injury so my mileage was only 30mpg for xc and 55 for track & field because I trained better in the winter. I crossed trained alot and my xc pr was 16:20 for 5k. Personally I believe I have the potential to be a 46s 400m, 1:45-46 800m, low 3:40s 1500m. My low mileage could easily be affecting my endurance so I'm not fighting my coach by training with 5kers. But lately I'm dieing from the transition from 8 minute miles to 6:30 minute miles on aerobic runs and low5/sub5 minute pace during long workouts

believed the first post, but 6/10

I'm not trolling...