How many of you conceal carry on a regular basis?

to answer your question, I carry most of the time.

I carry a shiv in my sock. Does that count?

Quoting Henry Reagan

"Ankle holsters suck!"

If you were a store clerk, and an armed robber came into your store and attempted to rob you, you would be in your right to defend yourself using any force necessary. You could claim self defense. Can you imagine that robber's luck when you, armed with a pistol whipped it out and shot the prick?

Also, you would be ridding the world of a thug, doing all the innocent a favor.

How many who actually have CCW go through all this? 5%?Its like going to church - >50% americans SAY they do, but how many ACTUALLY do? Precious few - if 50% of america went to church sunday morning, the worst traffic of the week would be Suandy 9am. So those who walk around with a gun SAY they are well trained, etc, we all know what the truth is.

Lyndon LaRouche wrote:

How many who actually have CCW go through all this? 5%?

Its like going to church - >50% americans SAY they do, but how many ACTUALLY do? Precious few - if 50% of america went to church sunday morning, the worst traffic of the week would be Suandy 9am.

So those who walk around with a gun SAY they are well trained, etc, we all know what the truth is.

I don't think it's really analogous to religion. But I do think CCW classes should be a requirement in all states.

Lyndon LaRouche wrote:

How many who actually have CCW go through all this? 5%?

Its like going to church - >50% americans SAY they do, but how many ACTUALLY do? Precious few - if 50% of america went to church sunday morning, the worst traffic of the week would be Suandy 9am.

So those who walk around with a gun SAY they are well trained, etc, we all know what the truth is.

As I mentioned, in my state one of the ways to fulfill the "training requirement" is through a hunter safety course. I took mine because I was interested in bow hunting. The actual weapons training consisted of never pointing your gun and anybody and being careful about richochets. No actual training with an actual gun. Then a very few things about legalities (how to legally transport guns through National Parks, for instance).

don't make it harder than it is. Point, shoot, repeat is all you really need to know.

Obviously a little common sense is helpful as well. The funny thing is that law abiding citizens are much more likely to abide by the list than the thug on the street - so why don't you go talk to the thugs with your stupud analogy about going to church & carrying?

stupid. what are you basing this need for a class on?? How often does a law abiding citizen with a legit CC permit just start shooting up the joint & killing innocent people? Real close to never.

LOL11 wrote:

If you were a store clerk, and an armed robber came into your store and attempted to rob you, you would be in your right to defend yourself using any force necessary. You could claim self defense. Can you imagine that robber's luck when you, armed with a pistol whipped it out and shot the prick?

Also, you would be ridding the world of a thug, doing all the innocent a favor.

It's stories like this that make me laugh at gun tards. Do you really think an armed robber would let a clerk pull out a gun without shooting him first?

Robber: "Give me all the money! Do anything else and I'll shoot you!"

Clerk: "Ok, but hold on. Let me reach behind my back or under the table so I can grab my gun."

este guey wrote:

I guess what I'm really curious about is the situations in which people are taught to draw their weapons. Is it based on whether a group is in danger or only that single person? As you said carrying a gun is for self-defense, so does the training say not to draw when in a group? I would think that doing so puts a group at increased risk with there being two guns instead of one being held by somebody who may not actually have the intent to use it.

I've been giving some thought to purchasing a handgun, but I doubt I would get the concealed carry permit. There just seems to be too much risk associated with actually carrying a gun and having to make those decisions when lives may be at stake, and I could be held responsible in one way or another.

There are all kinds of scenarios, but I think in general it should only be used for your own self-defense and not to defend others. I see that as a pretty hard-set rule: Citizens shouldn't try to play the hero.

I was in Salt Lake City a few years ago when the Trolley Square shooting happened. A guy walked into the mall armed with a shotgun and handgun and opened fire, killing 5 people before an off-duty officer who happened to be in the mall at the time took him down. There's no way of knowing how many lives that officer saved.

Had I been in the mall that day, I would have taken cover.

On the other hand, my thoughts about the Colorado theater shooting are completely different. Getting trapped in a room with a gunman who has opened fire..... I wouldn't hesitate to draw and try for a shot. I don't see that as trying to be a hero, my motivations are all about self-preservation.

Anyone who carries should also carry pepper spray. Lots of scenarios where it's a better option.

No, but how many people shoot themselves or their loved ones with their own guns? It happens all the time.

I know you're trolling, but there's a lot more to gun handling than "point, shoot, repeat." The simple action of drawing your gun needs to be practiced and refined so that you don't snag on your clothes. Drawing and pulling the slide needs to be one fluid motion, with attention to the details of whether the safety is on or off, where your trigger finger is resting (if it goes straight for the trigger, I guarantee you will eventually fire it accidentally), all the while aware of the threat in front of you, its proximity and behavior while you're drawing, etc. etc. etc. And all of this needs to happen while your adrenaline is making your hands shake, vision blur, and your thoughts fuzzy.

If you don't have this down, you will snag your clothes, drop your gun, improperly action the slide, fire before you intend to, or get your gun taken away. NOBODY should be carrying if they can't do these things under pressure.

The list goes on and on, my friend. Basic training should be a necessity before being issued a permit.

Tom Joad wrote:

Probably means the UK where the murder rate is 1.2 per 100,000 people (vs. the 4.2 per 100,000 in the USA)

The UK has had a homicide rate about 10x lower than the United States for over a hundred years. That's what happens when one country takes the poor of another country. But murder rates in the UK are 52% higher than when gun control began. By contrast, in Switzerland virtually everyone is a member of the national guard and has an assault rifle, and yet murder rates are just 0.7 per 100,000 -about half that of the UK.

Your simplistic analysis does not suffice.

Lyndon LaRouche wrote:

How many who actually have CCW go through all this? 5%?

Its like going to church - >50% americans SAY they do, but how many ACTUALLY do? Precious few - if 50% of america went to church sunday morning, the worst traffic of the week would be Suandy 9am.

Don't think so on this. I'm not doubting that people lie about going to church, but 50% of Americans as churchgoers would not make 9am on Sunday the worst traffic. The workforce + school traffic is much greater than 50% of the population. Also, most churches offer several different times for services. The church I last belonged to has two church services on Saturday evening and then four on Sunday morning. That's a lot of different options. Assuming that the average church has 3 options, your 50% of Americans will be spread out over 3 time slots. Some will live in walking distance. Families will drive together. Traffic won't be that bad.

neanderthal dream wrote:

On the other hand, my thoughts about the Colorado theater shooting are completely different. Getting trapped in a room with a gunman who has opened fire..... I wouldn't hesitate to draw and try for a shot. I don't see that as trying to be a hero, my motivations are all about self-preservation.

So you feel confident that in a dark theater, with dozens of screaming and running people, you could pick out the one gunman (are you sure it is one or are there more?) wearing body armor and realistically take him out?

If there were another theater-goer who like you was also packing and looking to take down the bad guy, are you confident you wouldn't decide he was also a gunman? Or that he wouldn't decide you were also a gunman?

Is there a special sign you'd have so when the first cops show up moments later they won't automatically assume that you, holding a smoking gun, isn't a bad guy still looking for targets and shoot first, ask questions later?

Because a dark theater with a screaming, panicked mob is just like the calm of a shooting range when it comes to processing your environment in a sane manner.

Why do people worry about violence so much more than they worry about other potential causes of death? Carrying an AED is more likely to enable you to save a life than carrying a gun. You'd think the people who need to carry a gun so that they can save the world when the opportunity arises would also be carrying around some basic medical supplies so that they could save a life when a much more likely life threatening event arises.

You said you were going to use bullet points, but you went with numbers.....what gives, bro?

neanderthal dream wrote:

I now think every responsible citizen should carry (and be trained to carry!).

Look at the way responsible, trained citizens drive. You really want the idiot who panics when a fire truck approaches and slams on the brakes in the middle of an intersection instead of moving over to the right to have control of one of the few products that is deadlier than a car?

You got me, my statement was too broad.

@codger, lol. Late nights, man. My brain is fried.