NCAA taking things too far

Nazi, money grabbing organisation hell-bent on exterminating the fun from sports. A national shame.

lol, have you seen Semoy Hackett? she has bigger arms than you do http://usportt.com/archives/22597

If you really are a D1 coach like I am, you need to spend more time with your Compliance Officer. The truth is that Methylhexaneamine has been banned by the NCAA for about 2 years. But the substance is in a bunch of OTC supplements like Jack3D, which can get you a ban (and did for Mike Rodgers)

See:

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~health/depts/sports-med/news.html

Coaches need to make this clear to athletes, who may be obtaining such things outside the NCAA programs.

Caffeine is banned in high dosages by the NCAA (but not WADA) due to concern at NCAA about abuse of energy drinks. The New York Times article about 5 hour energy and others listing, I believe, 18 deaths due to 5 hour and Monster energy shows that this concern is not misplaced. Once again, coaches should be explaining to athletes not just the rules but the reasons behind the rules.

"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem."

I don't know where you're from "too many bans", but Methylhexaneamine is NOT in any nasal sprays or any other over the counter medications, at least not here in the USA, nor is it in any popular energy drink you find on the shelf in your local supermarket..

Hackett tested positive for methylhexameamine at the Trinidad and Tobago championships last September and served a 6 month sanction that ended in March. It seems that one would have to be pretty dumb (or have a lot of brass balls) to use it again during the NCAA championships two and a half months after their ban for using it just ended.. USADA and WADA have gone to great lengths to make sure athletes are aware of the different names that the ingredient methylhexaneamine can be listed as in supplements, and to make sure athletes are aware they need to be extremely cautious before taking any supplements to avoid taking a banned substance. Methylhexaneamine is only banned by WADA during competitions, and I think it's only tested for by the NCAA at championships, but not year round. How hard is it to just not use the stuff starting a couple days before those events? If Semoy isn't a cheat, then at least you have to admit that her intelligence seems to be questionable.

Caffeine was banned long before energy drinks were on the market.

WADA at one time had a caffeine ban of 1.5 mcg/mL in urine, which comes to 10-12 cups of coffee for a normal sized human. I believe WADA removed caffeine in any quantity in 2004 from their Prohibited List, but it is on their "monitoring list". The NCAA has kept it due to concern about energy drinks (at least that's the official line).

If you look up the list of energy drinks from the Mayo Clinic, you will see that the caffeine level actually isn't that high. It's really all the other stuff the you have to worry about. But the NCAA is doing what they can.

AZ400 wrote:

I don't know where you're from "too many bans", but Methylhexaneamine is NOT in any nasal sprays or any other over the counter medications, at least not here in the USA, nor is it in any popular energy drink you find on the shelf in your local supermarket..

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From Wiki:

"Methylhexanamine, commonly known as 1,3-dimethylamylamine or DMAA, is an organic compound with the formula CH3CH2CH(CH3)CH2CH(CH3)NH2. It is marketed under many names as a dietary supplement,[2][3][4] but its safety has been questioned. It is also a simple aliphatic amine used as a nasal decongestant, as well as treatment for hypertrophied or hyperplasic oral tissues.[5] It is a vasoconstrictor, and can be administered by inhalation to the nasal mucosa to exert its effect."

Additional info from The National Center for Drug Free Sport Inc...

"What products do you commonly find these ingredients listed in?

The most common product that we receive questions on still remains to be Jack3d by USP Labs. Jack3d, lists, [1, 3 Dimethylamylamine] and caffeine. The following is a list of the top 10 product names, manufacture and banned (problematic) ingredients as listed on the label, in order of most popular.

1. Jack3d – USPlabs (1,3 Dimethylamylamine (Geranium [Stem], caffeine)

2. OxyELITE Pro – USPlabs (1,3 Dimethylamylamine(Geranium [Stem], caffeine)

3. Hemo-Rage Black Ultra Concentrate – Nutrex (1,3 Dimethylamylamine)

4. C4 Extreme - Cellucor (1,3 Dimethylamylamine HCI, caffeine)

5. Rezolution – LG Sciences (1,3 Dimethylamylamine (Geranium Flower), Bitter Orange (synephrine), caffeine)

6. Liquid Clenbutrx Hardcore – VPX (Apple Geranium (Pelargonium Odorantissomum) (Leaves) [Std. To 1,3-Dimethylpentylamine],caffeine)

7. Heat Accelerated – Magnum Nutraceuticals (Geranium Oil Extract, Citrus Aurantium, caffeine)

8. CryoShock – Neogenix (1,3 Dimethylamylamine, caffeine)

9. RedLine Black On Blue V2 – VPX (Supra-Amine™ Apple Geranium (Pelargonium Odoratissimum) (Leaves) [Std. To 1,3-Dimethylpentylamine], caffeine)

10. Motivate – Anabolic Innovations (1,3 Dimethylamylamine, caffeine)"

FYI - Most of the supplements on this list is sold by GNC.

I'm aware that methylhexaneamine is in many high tech pre-workout energy supplements, but none of those products are on my local supermarket shelf (Kroger, Safeway, Pathmark, Acme, Walmart, etc), nor is methylhex found in any common energy drinks found in supermarkets (monster, rock star, 5 hour, Red Bull, etc.), nor is methylhex found in any over the counter products in my local pharmacy here in America. \

Methylhex is NOT in any common American nasal decongestants, or any common American cold medications. If you want to test positive for methylhexaneamine, you pretty much need to go into a GNC or other specialty supplement store or website to find one of the specialty pre-workout supplements you've listed. Testing positive for methylhexaneamine isn't like accidentally testing positive for pseudoephedrine or phenylephrine which are found in many common cold medications. And remember, I'm talking about here in America. I don't know if methylhexaneamine is found in nasal decongestants or cold medications in other countries.

AZ400 wrote: "If you want to test positive for methylhexaneamine, you pretty much need to go into a GNC or other specialty supplement store or website to find one of the specialty pre-workout supplements you've listed."

-CORRECTION: To clarify, I meant: "..to find one of the specialty pre-workout supplements LIKE you listed. I didn't mean to give the impression that the Wiki list is all inclusive for methylhex containing supplements, since it isn't.

Methylhexaneamine is also used in a few weight loss supplements (although it's not in any of the common popular ones here in the USA), as well as in a few "party pills" in certain countries, so athletes should be really careful when it comes to pre-workout energy supplements and weight loss supplements, and ask an expert if they aren't sure. Even then, not all supplement ingredient labels are foolproof. The link below gives a more thorough (though still probably incomplete) list of supplements that contain methylhex, along with a list of the dozens of different names methylhexaneamine can be listed as on an ingredient label.

http://hprc-online.org/dietary-supplements/files/DMAA_List.pdf

Oh, please; plenty of sprinters have big muscles; not many of those in the Olympic 200 Final other than AF are very 'thin'. It is the result of training. And, more to the point, a game-time stimulant does not affect the body in that way at all (although if you took enough you might end up like a speed freak, not at all like a sprinter-type of speed).

oh please, ban that cheater wrote:

lol, have you seen Semoy Hackett? she has bigger arms than you do

http://usportt.com/archives/22597

Understood, but I think GNC is a pretty common shop for top level athletes. You also have to know all of the other names that methylhexaneamine can be listed under in supplemental products as listed in the products in my previous post. Apple Geranium sounds fairly innocent if you didn't know what is was.

By no means am I good enough to be tested for competition but I would never take these type of supplements. You just don't know what is in them.

it's over, we know she is a cheat - like we say, deal with it... she should get a life time ban for being stupid and costing her teammates the victory.

I'm unclear. The original OP whined that this poor kid was disqualified for treating a runny nose and then someone lists 10 supplements that you can buy at GNC that may contain the drug. Any elite athlete buying anything at GNC has got to be out of their minds. Hasn't history told us that about 1000 times!

Caffeine was added to the banned list after research and info came out about the US cycling team experimenting with 2000mg caffeine suppositories back in the early 80's. It was not due to energy drinks. The drug of choice for many distance runners in the late 70's to late 80's, who did not want to imbibe in the prohibited drug activity was a mixture of Ma Huang, caffeine, Fo Ti, Siberian Ginseng and Pangamic Acid (B15). The Ephedra ban got rid of most of that philosophy.

The NCAA sanction is unrelated to WADA. It is not clear that this will be officially reported to WADA, since NCAA is not a signatory organization. Likely it will, but note that the first case was deemed 'inadvertent' by both her federation and WADA concurred (to the extent at least of not contesting it).

Your statement is still wrong, and being nabbed here does nothing to make your statement correct.