RE: GLIAC XC 2012

When did Nick Fresenko ever run 14:30? And what type of drugs what he on?

Knack from tiffin will come up, him and Fisher will be a good 1-2 for that team.

Ashland looses a lot but so does G.V

calling it right now.

GV-Ferris-AU-Malone.

IF your going to say you're not with any school...make sure you DIDN'T use your schools email address. =)

Ah man, that has to be embarrassing. Coach calling now...

Grand Valley will win the 2012 GLIAC Cross Title. After that, since I really don't know much about Malone, I'm going to give the nod to Ferris State. Malone should place third. With Ashland losing their heavy hitters, I will put Hillsdale and Ashland neck and neck with Hillsdale having the advantage. I think Wayne State will either perform very well or perform kind of iffy.

I think GVSU will score 29 points this year.

Ferris 75

Malone 83

Hillsdale 124

Ashland 129

Wayne State 153

I'll check back on this thread come conference season.

I'm predicting Malone for the semi upset

Malone (redshirted a lot)

GVSU (lost a lot)

Ashland

Ferris

Hillsdale

Findlay

Tiffin

You're crazy if you think tiffin will place that low.

Malone didn't redshirt anyone from their varsity last XC season. After looking at the past two years, the fastest time for 8k is

25:06 which was from the 2010-2011 season.

The next fastest is 25:16 from the 2011-2012 season. After that it's a drop off. Seemed like no one stepped up last year, and some fell off the face of the earth.

They used to be very good at XC and weak on the track. Now it looks like they are weak at XC and strong on the track. Did something happen over the past two years or so?

The coach at ashland is pretty good, he'll get his boys rolling. The stuff he did with stratmen with only a year or so is remarkable. I wouldn't be surprised if they take at least 3rd.

GVSU has been the king of the castle for awhile but they have lost a lot this year. They are deep but they may lack the top end studs to get it done. Only Malone has a chance to upset them. As Ralphy said, a few years back, Malone was tough on the CC course but oddly, average at best on the track. That seems to have changed.

Tiffin does look to have some good front end runners but most likely will lack the depth to get a 3rd. 4th or 5th would be a great team race for them.

Ashland will take a big hit. They lose their top 3 guys from regionals. Stratman made good jump from 22nd at regionals as a sophomore to 9th as a 5th year but their top guy and one of the best in the region fell off the map the last 2 years, as did his brother. On the track, their mid D is tough.

My guess is:

GVSU

Malone really close behind

Ferris

Hillsdale

Tiffin

Ashland

Findlay

Can we get a list of incoming freshmen coming in this fall? So far the only big commitments Ive seen are to GV in the form of Nate Orndorf (4:20, 9:26, 15:46), Peter Tomkiewicz (4:25, 9:19, 14:42[3mi]), Torben Hoffmeyer (15:20 3mi), Mitch Wilkins (4:18,9:23, 14:40 [3mi]) and Malone in Ryan Roush (4:28, 9:23, 15:30). Pretty nasty looking recruiting class for the Lakers...

On an unrelated note I think Malone is being vastly over hyped in this thread. Of course the reason for that is that the program is steeped in tradition but they really havent been the Malone of old for a good 3 to 4 years now. They do have Andrew Trusty who ran 14:35 this year as a frosh but other than him and Fresnko (14:56) and possibly this freshman coming in for them I really dont see a whole lot to be afraid of. IMHO, the best case scenario for them is that they finish in the top 3 but certainly no where near GV like some in this thread are saying. Even though GV did loose a lot from last years squad, they always seem to find a way to reload and fill in the gaps so as much as I hate to say it I just cant see them being toppled by any of the squads that will line up this fall at the GLIAC championships.

From my understanding Fresenko ran 14:30 at the Hillsdale Gina Relays. In the results it has Tony Migliozzi as having run the 14:30 5k and also a 30:03 10k. Both ran unattached so my understanding is the Fresenko did run the 14:30. If you include that with a 14:35 guy in Trusty and some other solid guys they could be extremely competitive with Grand Valley.

GV also brought in Bryce Bradley from Chelsea, MI who was a 9:08 2 miler. GV continues to reload!

Just checked the Gina results and I did find Migliozzi but he is listed as a SR so I am assuming that he is not coming back for XC if he is that does change things quite a bit. Ive yet to see any evidence for Fresnko's 1430 mark, if he did do it, it wasnt at Gina '12. I did however just see a 14:46 result from him at Jesse Owens so that does make a difference in how I see them measuring up against GV. IF Migliozzi is eligible for another season of XC and IF their freshmen manages to make a smooth transition to the college running scene then we may in fact have the possibility of a dethroning on our hands!

Godzilliozi- 30:03

Trusty- 14:30

Fresenko- 14:30

Meeson- 14:56

Frosh

They could do it. Long shot but could.

I don't see Malone doing well at Regionals in 2012. That bump up to the 10k is going to hurt them.

I think Ashland will do better than expected even after taking a big hit. They have some guys ready to step in and some rumored good recruits. I say 3rd or 4th. Malone may be able to be in the top 4 but they will probably get worked on the national level. Can't believe the Malone Lovers aren't all over this thread though. They sure talked up a storm on the thread about moving up to D2. Even remember some "national champions" predictions.

If you dont think GV has the "upfront firepower" to win the GLIAC then you are mistaken. A quick look at tfrrs.org from the last couple of years shows who they have. GV Returns:

Steve Fuelling 14:24

Alan Peterson 14:30

Josh Moskalewski 14:40

Joe Duff 14:54

Spencer Pageau 14:56

Brent Showerman 14:59/25:25 8k XC

Emery Pitcel 15:03

Jake Isaacson 9:03 3k Steeple/24:57 8k XC

Mike Gibbons 9:17 3k Steeple

Larry Julson 3:49 1500/25:05 8k XC

Bryce Pulley 3:51 (GLIAC 1500 champ)

I know they have Bryce Bradley coming in from Chelsea High School who was the Michigan state champ and ran 4:15/9:10/15:20.

Again, I don't know why you guys are hung up on track times. Sometimes it doesn't carry over to XC. They weren't consistent at all last year in XC.

Malone will not be beat GV. GV is always stronger at XC at malone has ever been. 2 of their 3 TOP returns for XC (Malone) isn't even mentioned in this thread. Lay off the track times. Your giving Malone College the benefit of the doubt here.

I don't know why they are being overhyped on this thread.

I agree that GV has the upper hand here but yes Malone will make a very strong showing for it's first year.

Migliozzi is gone but Trusty had opportunities to be their #1 guy numerous times last season. He and Tony ran neck and neck at the conference championships for about 7-7.5k before Tony pulled away. Migliozzi ran 25:00 at the NCCAA Championships. Trusty had suffered a head concussion earlier in the week and only ran 25:45, however his coach said during he's workouts he had capabilities to go 24:30s. Many courses Malone ran on last season were in horrible conditions. The Navy Invitational might have been the only good weather that they were blessed with.

Nick Meeson is also quite a huge talent and ran a 25:13 last year. McKelley struggled with injuries last season and still managed to run 25:45. I think Malone has 3 runners that are capable of sub 25 and Trusty should be a big front runner considering he only had a few weeks of training before he ran 14:35 at the Jesse Owens 5k and never had any chances to improve upon that as he only ran a 9:00 2 mile time trial and a 3:59 1500.

If he does his summer work and stays healthy (has had IT band problems lately) He wants to get close to sub 24. He's a tremendous talent.

Their incoming freshman Roush ran times comparable to Trusty's senior year. He's also built more like a runner than Trusty. He probably barely weighs 100 lbs and is 5'10 or so. Has a ton of room for improvement based on body mechanics alone. Should be a great season. Have been looking forward to Fisher from Tiffin and Trusty duke it out like they did back in HS. These two will more than likely be your 1-2 at GLIACs.

Drew Trusty, was only there number 2 runner twice. Never went 3:59 either 4:00 max.

Taking a look at their online running logs, this is clearly someone from the Malone College team. Sub 24? The only guy in Ohio in the past few years who has done that is Eric Finan. And trust me, trusty is not in the same league. Ohio state has tons more talented guys on their team that haven't ran sub 24 let alone sub 24:30. Also, judging from his log, he didn't have a few weeks, but a few months before his stand out races. Actually going through all the weekly results for track, best results were from red-shirts. If, your counting Mckell as their third think again, nick fresenko has a faster PR a few years back. BUT he did struggle last XC sesaon as well. Is Jarrod Williams coming back or did he graduate?

Nick Messens best days at malone are over. Struggled badly in cross last year. Yet I agree talented arguable the most talented kid on that team but it isn't going to happen

We should see when the season starts.

Fisher is strong on the track, not so strong in XC but will this summers training he could make it happen.

And lets not forget GVSU's Joe Graves-14:56

GVSC

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If you dont think GV has the "upfront firepower" to win the GLIAC then you are mistaken. A quick look at tfrrs.org from the last couple of years shows who they have. GV Returns:

Steve Fuelling 14:24

Alan Peterson 14:30

Josh Moskalewski 14:40

Joe Duff 14:54

Spencer Pageau 14:56

Brent Showerman 14:59/25:25 8k XC

Emery Pitcel 15:03

Jake Isaacson 9:03 3k Steeple/24:57 8k XC

Mike Gibbons 9:17 3k Steeple

Larry Julson 3:49 1500/25:05 8k XC

Bryce Pulley 3:51 (GLIAC 1500 champ)

I know they have Bryce Bradley coming in from Chelsea High School who was the Michigan state champ and ran 4:15/9:10/15:20.