Please revert to my comments on training vs. genetic talent in the Saugus thread.
Who cares who trains harder or better? The goal is to win and there is no prize for the best training log at the end of the season.
I know a guy who ran a 27 min 10k off less mileage than these girls run. He beat many many people who "trained harder / better." please understand he who trains hardest does not win, it only helps you reach your potential. And everyone has a different ceiling.
You are no less of an idiot now than when you were embarrassed in the Saugus thread.
Genetic talent will get you only so far. You know a guy who ran 27 off of 50-60 a week? Great. Now you know why he didn't run 26 something.
Who cares who trains better? Everyone who wants to be better. Obviously you do not count yourself in that group. FM is great and Aris knows what he is doing. Put Aris in 100 schools around this country and so long as the administration supports him he's got a national champion at that school within four years.
Apparently the mods delete my comment where I said "get 50-60 girls, keep them happy and healthy and running 60+ mpw for several years with high quality aerobic work." I wasn't kidding. Do this and you'd walk all over FM guaranteed. And if Aris is so great why don't the boys win?
Unfortunately you failed to make any sense what so ever AND you still have no understanding of science. It is hard work AND talent that make you the best.
fadfasd wrote:
Apparently the mods delete my comment where I said "get 50-60 girls, keep them happy and healthy and running 60+ mpw for several years with high quality aerobic work." I wasn't kidding. Do this and you'd walk all over FM guaranteed. And if Aris is so great why don't the boys win?
This would make a team very good but you are underestimating the value of the training plan itself. I've seen girls run sub 17 off of what you just described and also seen them fail to break 20. What you said is a good start but to take the next step there is definitely more to it. There are a handful of coaches doing what you say. There's only one FM.
fadfasd wrote:
Apparently the mods delete my comment where I said "get 50-60 girls, keep them happy and healthy and running 60+ mpw for several years with high quality aerobic work." I wasn't kidding. Do this and you'd walk all over FM guaranteed. And if Aris is so great why don't the boys win?
The boys are also one of the best programs in the nation, even if they haven't won an NTN/NXN title yet.
During the regional era of NXN, they've qualified four out of five years. Only 5 other boys programs can claim that: North Central WA, York IL, The Woodlands TX, Dana Hills CA and Wayzata MN. Among those teams, their average score of 255.75 is second only to North Central (though with York and The Woodlands having qualified an extra time, so you can't readily say FM has been better.. I'd call FM the #4 boys program over the past five years with a few other teams banging at their door but not quite consistently there yet).
They are the only program that's among the top 5 in the nation on both sides... no one else is really close.
The boys side is more competitive, and the FM girls are better than the FM boys for the past six years. But there is no doubt that the program that Coach Aris has build is the best combined program in the nation today... by a good margin.
No one should doubt that they have done an incredible job coaching their athletes at Fayetteville-Manlius. It won't last forever, but it sure is impressive right now.
...and you certainly won't hear a peep about their workouts until that time period is over.
NY SPORTS ALL THE WAY!
Talent vs Hard Work? What a simplistic, rookie argument. These ladies win year in and year out because they're the Manliust runners on the course.
Best combined boys/girls teams in the country:
FM, CA Saugus, CA and Dana Hills, CA
wow! wrote:
Best combined boys/girls teams in the country:
FM, CA Saugus, CA and Dana Hills, CA
While Saugus and Dana Hills have great combined programs, why should they be considered top-5 combined programs? What have they accomplished to earn that kind of respect?
I would have thought programs like Southlake Carroll TX, Fort Collins CO, and possibly Carmel IN or Davis UT or Mountain View UT would deserve as much consideration first...
My guess is that the coach has a knack for getting girls to run instead of playing soccer. Most other schools have no chance at getting them to make that choice, unless the coach is very persuasive and has had the success to make his talk a reality.
Both Saugus and Dana Hills have been consistently ranked among the best in the very competitive Southern Section and California over the last few years. You don't see any other programs doing that.
FM amazing wrote:
Dead favorite to win a seventh national championship this fall. Unless they miss the meet, they can't be beat. Anyone disagree with me?
The bigger question is... do any of these girls go on to compete at a high level in college or beyond? Or are they overtrained and/or burned out and/or hurt from FM training and turn out to be middle of the pack collegiates?
Shouldn't they be preparing for college running and not peaking in high school?
Anonymouus wrote:
If I'm not mistaken the boys aren't coached by Aris during the Spring while the girls have 12 months with him. Those 3-4 months of different training makes a huge difference.
I think you are confusing FM and Saratoga. Kranicks don't coach guys outdoor.
Sat in a lecture today with Stanford's head of genetics. It's all in the genomes guys. It is as simple as that.
It's not "vs." by the way it AND. And yes the competitiveness of animals is also in the genomes. Go to class kids!
Let me see if I understand your argument. If there are 1000 high schools in the US with roughly similar student bodies (size, demographics, etc.) and if 10 of those schools are far better in cross country over the past 10 years than the other 990 schools, then it's because those 10 schools have a better genetic pool regarding distance running, endurance, etc. than the other 990 schools.Is that a fair description of your position? Or do you have a better description?
The Animal Within wrote:
Sat in a lecture today with Stanford's head of genetics. It's all in the genomes guys. It is as simple as that.
It's not "vs." by the way it AND. And yes the competitiveness of animals is also in the genomes. Go to class kids!
Animal,
First, In order to develop a good high school program, do we only need to improve the gene pool? Is that more easily accomplished by having families relocate into the district or by simply bussing genetically superior childrem in from other districts?
Second, What does this phrase mean "It's not "vs." by the way it AND."? I have read that several times and am still stymied.
I think these are great comments. I will campaign to start coaching local HS cross country but primarily my efforts will be extra curricular attempts to improve the gene pool. So many parents don't get to participate in PTA, but this is a booster initiative that I think a lot of parents will support. I don't see how this dynasty-building plan can fail; this is a win, win, win.
Thanks Hitler.