nah..got that off of caribbean track board.
nah..got that off of caribbean track board.
The weather conditions in Rome were very near perfect..
Dix's thighs are too big for his hip flexors/groin to handle/stabilize.
Gatlin is ready to take AT LEAST bronze at the olympics. There's no doubt that he'll beat Tyson Gay and Dix at this year's Olympic Trials.
This would have been a 9.82 with a normal reaction time. Of course, Usain Bolt is still WAY ahead of even this performance and Yohan Blake has run this with basically no wind.
I still think Gatlin will drop a bomb at trials and run around a mid 9.7 wind legal.
Mediocre-quality vid is up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag6-uXK1fDI
Thanks to "mrdoitright4girls" for getting it onto youtube so quickly.
From what I can tell from that video, Dix is done. Even if he hadn't pulled up, he would have been totally crushed by Gatlin, and if Gatlin hadn't fallen asleep in the blocks, it would have been embarrassing for Dix.
The injury, strain, catch, whatever it was, won't help matters at all.
2012 will be a year that Dix will want to forget. Too bad, he is the guy who always shows up and delivers. Only a miracle will allow him to do so this year. Not going to happen.
Ashmeade got out like a rocket, as he did in Orlando. THAT GUY MEANS BUSINESS. He cannot be ignored. I just had the same feeling I had watching him, as I had 2 or 3 years ago when I saw Blake lose a race...the hair on the back of my neck was standing up. There is something about the way he ran...aggressively. He wasn't just running to compete, he was running for the win. He was taking it to the field. THAT is the kind of attitude that makes for champions.
You can see it, you can sense it, just like you could sense already last year that Wariner was done. Ashmeade now has that intangible quality...he's mean, he's not threatened, he's had a taste of power. If it weren't for Gatlin's 9.80-quality run, he would have gotten beaten.
I think that Bolt and Blake are safe for this year, but Ashmeade is coming for Powell. He's already at least the equal of Carter, Frater, and others, and he's young and moving up.
If Powell doesn't get his act together, he will not be going to London this year in the 100m. Incredible though that would be, Ashmeade is coming for him. He's not quite there yet, but he's close, and he's coming for him.
I can feel Powell's uncertainty and fear from here.
Ready to take bronze?
Not so fast. He needs a top end..the only time he has looked really good at the end was when he was passing Powell--which was made to look easy because Powell gave up and stopped trying.
Beside Bolt and Blake, he will look sluggish at the finish. Even at Pre, Ashmeade looked to be gaining on him rather quickly, but of course not soon enough.
It's so hard to tell with Gatlin, he never looks like he's moving that fast. His transition will be key, that is for sure. It's incredible that this would have been a 9.80-class run with a normal RT. Maybe in this race he realized that he had missed the start, and pushed extra hard while driving, and as a result was running out of gas by the finish, allowing Ashmeade to edge up on him.
I wouldn't count out that dipshxt Powell. If he ever grows a pair and re-creates his performance of the 2011 nationals, he will be in the final, and will likely run at least a low-mid 9.8x To be able to beat that time in an Olympic final would be awfully difficult, even for Gatlin.
Notwithstanding the results so far this year, I say that if they both make it into the final, that Powell would beat Gatlin for bronze.
But to even be seriously considering Gatlin for a medal is truly amazing.
I'm beginning to get suspicious as to Gatlin's miraculous resurgence. Like I said before, the surest mark of extra help is consistency--and look at Gatlin this year. Sub-10 is nothing to sneeze at. Gatlin has all-of-a-sudden joined those guys for whom it is difficult to NOT run under 10...and what is with the essentially two 9.8x's from this year already? WTF? That is a little TOO good, it strains plausibility.
I understand that he is great, that he is a natural, that he is at a very strong point in his life...but that kind of consistency is noteworthy. There are still chances for him to have ups-and-downs this season, but if the sub-10 consistency continues, my suspicion will grow.
Right now, it's just a tiny voice in my mind...
Powell looks worse and worse the more he races. Did you see how awful his start was against Bolt? It betrayed him in that race and most likely whatever he's doing is just not working. The man needs to retire along with Tyson Gay at the end of this season.
Gatlin's consistency and Powell's lack thereof should more then enough justification. I'm pretty certain that he'll run 9.7 at Trials and if not then most certainly by Olympics.
The thing that scares me is Blake. All that added muscle mass (which, mind you, looked to be in all the right places- the glutes, hamstrings, shoulders).... he just needs time to learn how to transition all that strength to the track. Which is probably why he hasn't ran in quite some time.
I honestly think Blake will go 9.6 this year and retract my statement in another thread where i said 9.6 by only Bolt.
As far as his 200, it's over. Unless he's been training to lose some of that muscle mass he will never get that fast in the 200 again. All that mass is conducive for a fast 100 but not the way he runs the 200.
Sprintgeezer wrote:
I'm beginning to get suspicious as to Gatlin's miraculous resurgence. Like I said before, the surest mark of extra help is consistency--and look at Gatlin this year. Sub-10 is nothing to sneeze at. Gatlin has all-of-a-sudden joined those guys for whom it is difficult to NOT run under 10...and what is with the essentially two 9.8x's from this year already? WTF? That is a little TOO good, it strains plausibility.
I understand that he is great, that he is a natural, that he is at a very strong point in his life...but that kind of consistency is noteworthy. There are still chances for him to have ups-and-downs this season, but if the sub-10 consistency continues, my suspicion will grow.
Right now, it's just a tiny voice in my mind...
You took the words right out of my mouth. I think you're telling that tiny voice to shut up but it's getting louder.
He can't seem to have a bad day and is blowing away the field every time. I've also seen some recent pics where his eyes just don't look right. I shudder to think he might be back on the juice because T&F just doesn't need that crap right now. Even if he's clean, his dominating with Gay being sidelined is a hard pill to swallow. It's not that I haven't forgiven him, it's that I can't forget what he's very capable of and his being at the forefront won't look good for the U.S. It's no secret that I'm a big fan of the Jamaicans because of their raw talent- but I'm also a big Tyson Gay and Dix(sigh), fan + an even bigger fan of T&F in general. I really, hope Gatlin's clean but it's just not smelling right. I hope they test the $hit out of him.
You know for a fact that they are doing just that. If he was on anything, they'd have crucified him after last year's worlds and making his comeback.
Let's hope they're not throwing this all under the rug because of how badly T&F is perceived in the US and the lack of a US face on the world stage bar Tyson.
I guess if there was a guy who they would test honestly--i.e. not cover up any positives--it would be Gatlin, right?
I think everybody has basically accepted his return, but I don't think that anybody would stick their neck out for him, or ever again give him the benefit of the doubt.
OTOH, to catch him again would amount to a sort of admission that the suspensions are at least not long or severe enough, or are in any case ineffective. Maybe letting him through would allow some organizations to save face.
It's a tough call--for me, the weight of conjecture is probably equal on both sides of the balance.
What always bugs me is consistency at or below 9.90.
Even historical greats who were likely clean like Lewis, Boldon, Bailey, Fredericks, Surin, etc. were up-and-down, and when consistent below 10.00, were consistent in 9.9x
OK, I grant that Gatlin MIGHT be one of the all-time great talents. 9.87, 9.93, 9.82 (effectively), all before June, is rather seriously consistently fast, on the order of a Powell or Greene. Bolt is of course something else entirely.
IF his times are legit and natural, then the consistency is not artificial. Practically, what that means is that the consistency he exhibits is NOT performed at his maximum, for that CANNOT occur without artificial help.
IF that is the case--if what we are seeing is not artificial--then he could very well dip down into the low-mid 9.7x's this year once or twice.
Just thinking out loud. As you get older, time seems to pass quicker--but to me it seems like an ETERNITY until London!!
The first time I ever remember getting a good look at Ashmeade's 100m potential was in NY 2011, where he finished a tough 100m between Bledman and Rodgers, and .10 behind Gay and that doper Mullings.
Judging by the order of finish and the gap to the leaders, Ashmeade showed mid-9.9x potential in that race, and now he's living up to it.
More than that, he RUNS like he means business.
Wow, Jamaica--crazy. MASSIVE WR coming in the 4x100m relay if they can get the stick around, Ashmeade has good speed endurance.
Can Powell start on a curve?
Powell-Bolt-Blake-Ashmeade!!! With a LONG second leg
They have so many choices, they could field 2 relay teams that might medal--the "leftovers" in that situation could be
Clarke-Frater-Harvey-Carter!! Good for silver or bronze, depending on T&T.
"Now these times seem entirely believable."
They always seemed believable. God, what a moron you are. Just stop it with this idiotic sh*t. There never was anything wrong with the times.
"Who knows, if he'd had a better RT, maybe he would have been too jacked-up and not had enough energy to finish as fast as he did."
Completely wrong. A better RT would not have left him with less energy, how on earth do you come up with this sh*t when sprint is all you watch on tv?
Sprintgeezer wrote:
Hey VenTARD, how come the times weren't blazing? I though that this was a "fast meet"? What about all that wonderful oxygen, from all those wonderful trees?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
It looks like enough attention was focused on the Eugene 2011 100m that they had to clean up their act. Maybe.
If so, then great.
If not, then...whatever. Gatlin absolutely demolished Patton, Dix, and Rodgers, and Kimmons.
Kimmons had a good showing, but Dix appears to actually have lost some 100m fitness, or he just had a one-off crappy race, or he is saving himself for the 200.
Jeez, idiot. Enough attention? What, you think they "cleaned up their act" because you were writing shit about them in here? Give me a break from this stupidity.
There never was anything to clean up.
Sprintgeezer wrote:
Ashmeade got out like a rocket, as he did in Orlando. THAT GUY MEANS BUSINESS. He cannot be ignored. I just had the same feeling I had watching him, as I had 2 or 3 years ago when I saw Blake lose a race...the hair on the back of my neck was standing up. There is something about the way he ran...aggressively. He wasn't just running to compete, he was running for the win. He was taking it to the field. THAT is the kind of attitude that makes for champions.
Hahahha god, look at this. Can't make this sh*t up!
You are talking as if 100m was a tactical race, and that anyone who gunned hard from the start was gutsy.
They run all out from the start. Everyone is agressive.
He is simply in much better shape, thats it thats all.
Sprint Geezer and Whaaat or whatever they call themselves are borderline imbecilic and don't have a clue regarding Gatlin.They profess
to be track experts but every time they post,they betray their ignorance.
These same dimwits said Gatlin will never be world class again just after
his ban was lifted.Now,according to them he's winning because he is juiced.
lpd wrote:
Sprint Geezer and Whaaat or whatever they call themselves are borderline imbecilic and don't have a clue regarding Gatlin.They profess
to be track experts but every time they post,they betray their ignorance.
These same dimwits said Gatlin will never be world class again just after
his ban was lifted.Now,according to them he's winning because he is juiced.
Interesting... can you please provide links to me saying any of these things?
Just ignore these comments, Whaaat?. We know the real history.
For instance, me on 8/3/2010, after his 10.24: "He's still got that ridiculous stride. If he can get his drive phase back and not rock all over the place, he could be credible again."
Me, 8/5/2010, after his 10.24: "I totally agree that Gatlin can go faster, especially if he gets his start/acceleration right, and has the right conditions."
Me, 8/31/2010: "It will be interesting to see how he responds psychologically in the future--will he give up, will he train too hard and get injured, will he pull a Johnson and go back on the juice?"
Me, 6/25/2011, after nationals: "I remember somebody on this board saying that while un-doped Gatlin was essentially a mediocre college runner, not a sub-10 guy. Well what do you think now? Do you believe that he is using again, like Johnson did?"
Hardly the words of someone who said Gatlin would never be world-class again just after his ban was lifted.
Barakus: "Can't make this sh*t up!"
Sure I can--and I did.
YOU, on the other hand, don't seem to be able to.
You have seemed in the past like somebody who knew what they were talking about--don't you have any feel for the race? For the athletes? For the psychological element of the 100m, which is HUGE?
Ashmeade is the anti-Powell right now. Look at Powell--he is possibly the most talented 100m guy ever. Why does he still lose races? Psychology, that is why. He even acknowledged having given up in Rome, although he didn't seem to think that it was a problem (he is entirely wrong).
You will see, just as Powell can lose races even though he is the most physically gifted, Ashmeade will have success because he is psychologically aggressive, which is required for somebody who is on their way up to expand their envelope.
I'm beginning to wonder if you have ever competed in sprinting, or any power/strength sport.
What I meant was, he is not running well because he is running agressive. They all do that. The fact that he is able to run well the whole 100meteres I agree is because of his psyche.
Obviously Powell is a puss, who doesn't know that? I used to feel sorry for that guy but now he bores me. The fact that he gave a fan 3 STDs after a Diamond League meet a few years ago isn't very positive either.
Anyway, he gives up, everyone knows that. But I disagree that Ashmeade rungs aggressively, In my opinion that is the wrong words. He have a strong, aggressive psyche, that I can agree too.