Last Clean Winner of TdF ?

Roger wrote:

I believe Chris frome Bradley Wiggins and grey lemons were clean - also anyone who rode before PEDs were banned is by definition clean insofar as they weren't breaking any rules.

I have a hard time believing that LeMond was clean when he turned pro at age 19 and had immediate success against hardcore teams that had doped for 20 years (as an organization). Also, he won at a time that Hinault and Fignon doped.

The record around his era goes like this:

65 1978 Bernard Hinault France Renault

66 1979 Bernard Hinault (2) France Renault

67 1980 Joop Zoetemelk Netherlands TI Raleigh

68 1981 Bernard Hinault (3) France Renault

69 1982 Bernard Hinault (4) France Renault

70 1983 Laurent Fignon France Renault

71 1984 Laurent Fignon (2) France Renault

72 1985 Bernard Hinault (5) France La Vie Claire

73 1986 Greg Lemond USA La Vie Claire

74 1987 Stephen Roche Flag of Ireland.svg Ireland Irish Carrera

75 1988 Pedro Delgado Spain Reynolds

76 1989 Greg LeMond (2) USA ADR

77 1990 Greg LeMond (3) USA Z

78 1991 Miguel Indurain Spain Banesto

79 1992 Miguel Indurain (2) Spain Banesto

80 1993 Miguel Indurain (3) Spain Banesto

81 1994 Miguel Indurain (4) Spain Banesto

82 1995 Miguel Indurain (5) Spain Banesto

Just like Lance, how can we expect him to win in an era dominated by Hinault and Indurain?

As far as those two English? Those guys are just like the best tracksters, they are part of the BIG-money SKY experiment to get an English Tour winner in 5 years -- they succeeded big-time. Extensive and serious doping program ... that works.

poster: "What about Cadel Evans?"

Cadel Evans, Greg LeMond, and Miguel Indurian were anatomically cardiovascular gifted and didn't need the PEDs.

I think when the cards are on the table those with 'huge lung capacities', freakish 'lactic acid threshods', and a big heart can be ruled out as

cheaters --- theoretically.

I'm very cynical when it comes to PEDs and sport, but, for whatever reason, I think LeMond might have been clean. I think Hinault and the Tour would have outed him if he weren't, given the intensity of that rivalry and the love of the French for Hinault. They would have done it just out of spite. Also, I don't know why else LeMond goes after Lance otherwise, or, why, LeMond leaves the Tour once EPO starts playing a dominating role. If he was doping already, why not get on the newest juice?

I don't know... I know that the Tour has been soaked in PED's almost from its beginning. This is because it's a ridiculous contest, devised for its commercial value rather than as a reasonable athletic contest. So, it's probably the case that there never has been a clean winner of TdF. But IF there was, I choose to believe it was LeMond.

Indurain was 'prepared' by Conconi. LeMond left PDM because of their doping program, look at the 91 tour, Lemond climbed alpe d'huez the fastest he had ever done, yet was nowhere near. EPO was in use then by Bugno, chiapucci and Indurain, I remember reading about it in 1990, in an article in Winning magazine. By Eddie b of all people... Epo may not have been about in 87, but Conconi was administering transfusions to cyclists along with the distance runners from Italy in the 80s.

Sweet Jesus how could Indurain be clean with the 1992 time trial performance

Honestly it makes me sick to see Roche, Kelly, Ris (sp) and Indurain hailed as heroes, I call bs on froome too. Dave brailsford said "one day riders will be as fast as armstrong" guess when that day was, the very next freaking day.....

Campy Record wrote:

...I argued with my friend that the last clean winner of the tour may (and I use this loosely) be 1987 and Stephen Roche.

Roche?!?! Hopefully you got pwned in that argument.