Georgetown

From what I can determine it seems that Henner has ruined the Georgetown running program. It seems like Milt would do a much better job in his place as seen by his previous performance. Henner brings in in some of the best recruits in the country and yet he fails to guide his athletes to the level they should be running at. 29th place at NCAA's is just appalling and not at all where this program should be. He is taking this program and running it into the ground. He consistently injures his athletes time and time again.

Andrew Springer: Springer who ran 4:02 in highschool not only should have ran sub 4 by now but should have been given the opportunity to run 1600 or mile more often. It seems like Henner has been pushing him more towards the 5k, which seems a bit off from Springer's strengths.

Moving to Indoor track, their mid distance runners and distance runners don't push themselves hard enough to take over a race. They sit quietly in the middle of the pack never making a move or taking a risk. It seems like they're only racing not to lose and not racing to win.

Chris Kinney: The only person who seems to be doing his job is Chris Kinney. oh what do we have here. Henner doesn't coach Kinney.

{insert uneducated-sounding hick accent here}

Ok guys, seriously? Did you think I wouldn't see this? I'ma let y'all finish, but I'm the greatest coach of all time.

You think it's my fault that Sandy Roberts kicked everyone's ass in workouts (even Bumbalough) and then got wrecked in every single race? Ok, well maybe that is my fault...but you gotta have one choke-artist on every team, right? I've decided to screw over Bobby Peavey this time around. Have you seen that kid's calf muscles?! There is no way Bobby should not be top 5 in the nation (like he was in high school)! Which brings up another point: all of my runners ran faster in high school than they do under my coaching. I like to call that my secret sauce. My favorite thing to do is consistently bring in top recruits (Dennin, Taye, Springer, Peavey, Anyan, etc.) and proceed to injure them, fail in motivating them, and run them into the ground with terrible race times. Seriously, when is Springer gonna break 4?! Goddamn. Nick Rowe is pretty sexy though. Oh, what was that? Brian Hencke had a big PR today in the 800? I should probably schedule a grueling workout for him in the near future so he gets injured. I've decided to make Tyler Anyan the next Andrew Bumbalough, but better. That kid has heart backed with unlimited potential and a beautiful stride.

And to those people saying my runners run planned races instead of trying to win...WTH? Winning isn't everything. It's the only thing. Oh wait. That's not my attitude at all. I don't win. I get 29th at nationals. It honestly shocks me that I continue to get the top milers in the country to commit while I churn out terrible performances one after the other.

Bumbalough's reaction after getting 2nd at XC nationals:

Bumbalough, who hung on for second in 35:52, was also very pleased with his performance for coach Jerry Schumacher.

"It was finally a winter of fitness instead of injury," said the former Georgetown University Hoya.

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Look, Henner did an amazing job helping AB through some injuries that were bound to come up due to some biomechanical issues. He had him seeing some of the best in the NE to assess the issues and work through them. Remember that he did not get hurt at all last year but did get mono.

It's pretty clear that his being able to stay healthy are a result of what he discovered and worked on with Henner as well as all the time and resources he has available now that he probably did not have at G-Town. Hopefully he can continue to train without interruption and do some great things over the next few years.

Bumbi Fan wrote:

Look, Henner did an amazing job helping AB through some injuries that were bound to come up due to some biomechanical issues. He had him seeing some of the best in the NE to assess the issues and work through them. Remember that he did not get hurt at all last year but did get mono.

It's pretty clear that his being able to stay healthy are a result of what he discovered and worked on with Henner as well as all the time and resources he has available now that he probably did not have at G-Town. Hopefully he can continue to train without interruption and do some great things over the next few years.

^This.

Henner consistently goes above and beyond for his guys. He did everything he could for Sandy, who sucked at NC State by the way, including sports psychologist and trying everything under the sun in workouts in an effort to build up Sandy's confidence. As mentioned, Henner really kept Bumbalough's career on the rails and kept him progressing each Spring even when Andrew would get hurt or sick. Bumbalough did have some injuries but he also made two World Jr teams under Henner, NCAAs on the track ever Spring, and was 22, 13, and 8 in cross.

Where did you end up going?

Based on the above it sounds like he made the right efforts for Bumby + Roberts--are you saying that the consistently disappointing results are bad luck or the athletes fault--what is it

Bumbi fan 2 wrote:

Based on the above it sounds like he made the right efforts for Bumby + Roberts--are you saying that the consistently disappointing results are bad luck or the athletes fault--what is it

Like with every program, disappointing results and individuals who don't pan out are a part of the sport and are due to myriad factors. Yes, that includes Henner as a part of the problem.

In my view Pat does a lot of things right and caught some bad breaks that haven't helped an otherwise pretty good program. Chris Lukezic turning pro early didn't help, nor did Andrew Bumbalough redshirting the track season where they had LBP. I think if they have a 3:38, 13:30 Bumbalough and LBP run at Penn they maybe grab a COA in 2009, and all of a sudden Pat's a great coach.

Lastly, Pat's incredibly loyal to his guys, he stuck by Sanchez, Charlie Millioen, and Debole (just to name three), when many coaches would've yanked their scholarships.

hoosier123 wrote:

[quote]Bumbi fan 2 wrote:

Lastly, Pat's incredibly loyal to his guys, he stuck by Sanchez, Charlie Millioen, and Debole (just to name three), when many coaches would've yanked their scholarships.

Loyal? You mean when Henner kicked Alex Bean off the team for putting as his Facebook status that he was going to a concert? Wasn't Alex Bean one of his best runners?

Yanked Sanchez's scholarship. The kid who finished 27th at the World Junior Champs as a high schooler and finished 5th in D1 XC as a freshman at Georgetown and then broke Pre's 30 something year AJR in the 5K on the track as freshman? And you're saying many coaches would have yanked his scholarship?

That kid was being mentioned in the same breath as Ritz, Hall and Webb as one of the saviors of US distance running and you're saying many coached would have yanked his schol?

(1) no coach in his right mind would have yanked the schol.

(2) it was the very least he could do after he forced him to race Penn relays while injured and derailed his career.

Agree, and would add that georgetown suffers from both a serious penchant for nepotism and a tolerance for mediocrity. Henners boss probably doesn't now or care if he's doing a good or mediocre job so long as there is no embarrassing incidents. Its too bad because the program is capable of doing so much better than they are doing.

Bumby did everything on his own. You can't call Henner a great coach for doing nothing. Bumby has always been destined for greatness way before he ever met Henner, and he decided to forget Henner the last couple of years. He realized what a dimwit redneck he was and came to the understanding that Henner had no idea what he was doing and trained on his schedule and ran his races on his own plans. Even four years later to this day, I still hate Henner for ruining the Georgetown program.

For years i couldn't even say it was a rivalry.

But now with the rise of the 'Cuse, some of their BIG

EAST luster has been taken away. G'twn and SU are an

an interesting study when you compare coaches, history, facilities

Etc.

hoosier123 wrote:

[quote]Bumbi Fan wrote:

It's pretty clear that his being able to stay healthy are a result of what he discovered and worked on with Henner as well as all the time and resources he has available now that he probably did not have at G-Town. Hopefully he can continue to train without interruption and do some great things over the next few years.

I can't deny that Henner put a lot of time into his athletes (or some of his athletes). Talking about Bumbalough is a different story than what I was talking about with the general team atmosphere. But its a chicken and egg thing. Henner was really good with working with Bumbalough's injury. he was very cautious but continued to give him racing experience. and in some senses maybe a couple years of this cautious training was good for slowly developing him to a professional athletes. On the other hand, you have to ask why he was injured every year. But from what i saw henner was pretty delicate with bumbalough and you have to give him credit for slowly developing him. I think all but 1 year, his mile time gradually went down. Under a different coach, i think bumbalough could have done greater things in college. Maybe a couple NCAA 1st places. Still in the long run, maybe being forced to run the mile and shorter events more often was good for his long term development. So in short, you have to give henner credit for thinking term for bumbalough. he didn't just throw him in races or workouts he wasnt ready for..

More positive team dynamics and picking favorites: henner still needs to work there...

I went on a recruiting trip to G-Town, know the guys there, and run in the Big East. I agree Henner knows his stuff, but he didn't have the best social skills when I met him. I lost interest in the school when he only showed interest in one stud recruit and acted awkwardly. The Hoya's seem to have little team atmosphere which stems from his personality and leadership.

DifferentHoya wrote:

Part of this decline springs from the attitude prevalent at the institution itself. The level of (unwarranted) arrogance is extreme.

When interviewing there, I mentioned I ran. The interviewer asked, "Are you any good?". The tone indicating, "If you are not any good, don't waste my time". This person was not an athlete, so not coming from any sort of informed opinion.

GTown was going to be a backup school, so I decided to pass.

This 2nd rate approach to outsiders and strangers is typical of the university, the hospital, and the institution backing all of it. It does not surprise me at all that a "good" coach turns into a "bad" coach after exposure to that environment.

I interview for Georgetown (an alumni interviewer) and I always get very interested in anybody I interview that runs track and/or XC. I even try to notify the coaches in some of these cases.

99% of you have never run for georgetown, so besides second hand reports I don't see how any of you should be opening your mouths. Stop bashing georgetown and coach henner, considering most of you have never even met him

you obviously don't know the entire story, considering that wasn't even the main reason. You need to stop talking about things that you heard on the grape vine

hoya wrote:

99% of you have never run for georgetown, so besides second hand reports I don't see how any of you should be opening your mouths. Stop bashing georgetown and coach henner, considering most of you have never even met him

I think it's time we heard the REAL truth from one of the current athletes.