Junk Master wrote:
Instead of "sit and kick," it's, "sit and track."
oh yeah? there's a online tracker for Boston, right? we can track him with live play by play coverage here in the KL thread!!!! :)
Junk Master wrote:
Instead of "sit and kick," it's, "sit and track."
I love the idea of shirts, it would be awesome to get as many people to wear them... heck even get them in the yellow and blue Boston colors. If I was running Boston I would chip in and get one!
If we can track him live, has anyone thought about calling the BAA during the race when he goes off the course... in other words report his cheating when it is happening?
Loofa Dog wrote:
If I was running Boston I would chip in and get one!
The problem here is that Kip is a fairly good runner without cheating. He has now had a year to train and if I were to guess, I'd say he is training his butt off so he can run a legitimate time in a marathon (and allow people to follow him). Once done, he'll announce that he never cheated.
Even if he runs 3:05, that would be good enough for him to claim that he ran sub 3 when he was younger (last year) or that he had an off day.
Doing 400s on the track? For a guy who doesn't race, this is unheard of.
Just a guess.
No way he can do a 3:05 now. If he's tracked he'll try and do 1/2 at 3:05 ish pace and then grab a hamstring like he's a New York Giant.
Don't be a Kip hater. He's proven he'll do whatever it takes to cross the finish line in a decent time.
Loofa Dog wrote:
I love the idea of shirts, it would be awesome to get as many people to wear them... heck even get them in the yellow and blue Boston colors. If I was running Boston I would chip in and get one!
If we can track him live, has anyone thought about calling the BAA during the race when he goes off the course... in other words report his cheating when it is happening?
I found this thread a few weeks ago and I've been engrossed by it. I've told the story to a few people and they all respond with the same mix of intrigue and disbelief.
One thing that I can't quite pin down is why Kip cheats (if indeed he does) and why he does it repeatedly. It shows some serious obsessive behavior. I could totally understand cheating once to get into Boston but this guy supposedly has a string of dozens of races that he actually went to just to cheat.
Does anyone know why?
Can't help you with why, but inventing fictional races and fictional results takes it way beyond cheating.
categorically wrote:
One thing that I can't quite pin down is why Kip cheats (if indeed he does) and why he does it repeatedly. It shows some serious obsessive behavior. Does anyone know why?
scotth wrote:
Why? Because there's an unfathomably deep & serious flaw in his moral constitution. I can't imagine a better explanation - unless he were to add, 'Because I thought I could get away w/it,' which would be true to a point.
His cheating ways have pretty much stopped since the KL saga blew up on letsrun.com this year. Kip does not seem to have raced at all since the Charlotte Thunder Road Marathon on 12/11/2010. So maybe he repeatedly did it only because he was largely getting away with it but now people are onto it.
People have been onto Kip for well over a year. Go to: kiplitton.blogspot.com and take a look. It's like an 84 car wreck in the fog.
they may have been onto him but nowhere near as much as they are this year
I was thinking that it would end up being taxes. He probably set up world record run as a non-profit so he can make big donations to it out of his personal income. The organization had to look legit so he based it around running - something he was pretty good at. Then he had to keep doing races to make all the expenses look legit.
If he's this big of a cheater then I'm sure marathoning isn't the only thing he's cheating. And the one thing that everyone cheats on is taxes.
Loofa Dog wrote:
I love the idea of shirts, it would be awesome to get as many people to wear them... heck even get them in the yellow and blue Boston colors. If I was running Boston I would chip in and get one!
If we can track him live, has anyone thought about calling the BAA during the race when he goes off the course... in other words report his cheating when it is happening?
Well said Mr. Ouch.
Kevin52 wrote:
Well said Mr. Ouch.
ouch1000 wrote:
At many marathons, including Thunder Road, which he may have used to qualify himself for Boston, it is insanely easy to cheat, as they advertise the locations of the mats: "Timing mats will be located at the start, 10K mark, 13.1 mile mark, 20 mile mark and the finish. Runners who do not register a split time at one of the checkpoints will be subject to disqualification." (Why use them as checkpoints if you're goiing to tell the cheaters where they are?!) In addition, the layout of the course is perfect for a cheater like Litton: http://www.runcharlotte.com/2010maps/TRM2010_MarathonMap.pdf
Why go to all the trouble of having any controls at all if people like Kip Litton can make such a mockery of them. In 2010, I personally spoke with the RD's at a number of his marathons and the consistent reply to the overwhelming evidence (lack of photos and reports by finishers close behind that he never passed them) was "Well - I'm really suspicious, but he registered at all of the chip mats, so I can't disqualify him." Sure you can disqualify him!!
We have waited long enough. This post if for the readers who have unwittingly believed the character assassination here. For those who have joined in on the bashing, we will not refute your RUNNING related claims so you need not respond. Being infantile, no doubt you will though. Since there has been much speculation here about Kip's life ASIDE from running, we will address that only. Since the trashing posts have gone unchecked, readers have only opinions from people who have never met Kip upon which to form their own opinion.
We will give you perspective from people who actually KNOW Kip. We are a group who have known him from 7 to 34 years. We have gotten to know Kip and his family intimately through business, church, school, running and other social circles. Many of the previous posts here can not be proved either way, so we will only speak to our personal experience with Kip.
He is the rare type of person who makes you feel better after spending time with him. He is intelligent, selfless, witty, charitable, modest, caring, generous to a fault and passionately devoted to both his beautiful wife of over 20 years and his children. He has been recognized many times for his integrity, excellence in his profession and philanthropic efforts both in time and money with many organizations. He has been well respected in the community for over 20 years, loved by his patients and adored by his friends and family. Those of us us who have known him the longest can say in all those years there has never been a single time when his moral character has come into question. Your bashing is not ringing true with anyone that actually knows him. We and many others support Kip and his entire family in his hour of need with the diagnosis of his kids and any other tragedy that may befall him.